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Dave Smith — Duncan Trussell Family Hour

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:44:31 GMT

bohdi
Fri, 24 Mar 2017 00:11:04 GMT

95% reduction of the federal government means almost completely getting rid of social security, medicare, and the military. This is the libertarian utopia. Old and poor people starving, or dying from lack of healthcare, in the richest country that ever existed.

bohdi
Fri, 24 Mar 2017 00:23:55 GMT

"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices." - Adam Smith (libertarian hero)

markryan
Sat, 25 Mar 2017 20:47:42 GMT

@yofancy, and bohdi. True about corporations. Under traditional libertarianism most corporations now wouldn't exist. They would be acting very illegally as they are, just like our government. I dont believe 95% is a stretch as far is federal is concerned. This is not including state. Are you aware of the massive size and scope of the government? I know it's hard for people to conceptualize because of our current state, and the fictitious, mindfuck of hopeless dependence on government that people have been eased into. Us being a free people, and our government acting anywhere within the realm of its constitution is an enormous stretch of imagination that most people do everyday. Every warning and red flag that founders urged it's citizens to look out for has been far surpassed. Can you imagine if most citizens felt a strong responsibility over their own lives? That their actions mattered and carried weight because they were free? Why look to the government if a company is out of line? What if the people held so much power that devious companies were wiped out in violen t fashion? I wish people would understand the depth of devastation that socialism and crony government actually does to people.

bohdi
Sat, 25 Mar 2017 21:12:00 GMT

Markyran, most of the federal budget goes to medicare, medicade, social security, and the military. So, 95% means all these things are gone. People starving, and dying, from lack of healthcare is what you support.

shaunfrederick
Sun, 26 Mar 2017 11:41:51 GMT

@adriannegogal Money is simply a fiat currency. Its meaningless. What it represents is what is important. It represents ambition and productivity. I think having a society based on those two things is very important. Once you let the creepy, perverse hand of socialistic government to rule, I am a true believer in the idea that not now, and maybe not in 100 years, but in at least 150 years you will get a ruler similar to Kim Jung IL. When you let the middle man (government) start taking energy away from the productive people, you will eventually get a tyrant. Why? Because socialists usually cannot do things- they just take from those who can do things.

markryan
Sun, 26 Mar 2017 15:34:11 GMT

Bohdi, think about the question you asked. You want to discuss things at a retarded level with loaded questions? I can play that game. Step outside of your box dude. The government making your decisions for you isn't as cool as you think

bohdi
Sun, 26 Mar 2017 16:15:44 GMT

What loaded questions are you talking about? I'm not in a box, I just don't agree with capitalist libertarianism. I never said anything about the government making decisions for me. And I don't think things like Social Security, and Medicare take away anybody's freedom. And they don't lead to a leader Kim Jong IL. Lack of democracy is what leads to totalitarian government.

markryan
Mon, 27 Mar 2017 01:41:41 GMT

Bigger government leads to government making more decisions over your life every time. Lack of democracy? Mob rule you mean. And yes, asking me if I support death and starvation, because I don't like programs you'd happily force upon everyone is a loaded question. You're a commie dude. You may not know it, or admit it, but you are.

bohdi
Mon, 27 Mar 2017 03:28:55 GMT

Social Security, Medicare, and other programs allow people to live, and make more choices. You call democracy mob rule, and you call me a commie, which I'm sure you think is synonymous with totalitarian government. I didn't ask you if you support death and starvation. I pointed out the fact, that getting rid of these programs would lead to that.

bohdi
Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:13:00 GMT

Markyran, you probably hate roads, because they limit your choice of where you can drive. Or, air traffic controllers, because they tell pilots what to do. Or, maybe the power grid, because it limits your choice of who you can buy electricity from. Life would be so much better without all these things.

yofancy
Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:50:01 GMT

@markryan you only talk about how bad the government is, and I mostly agree with you on that but you never mention capitalism, which is the system we have in the US and if your agenda were enacted it would be giving total power to capitalism to run the whole society. This means the profit motive will be the sole motive for every institution and individual. It means that society will be only divided into two classes: owners/employers and workers/non-owners. People who don't have property will be forced to sell their time and labor to the owner class who profit off their labor and pay them a salary that is worth less than the value they provide to the company. This already happening, but taking away all government assistance to poor people is going to make their life worse, not better. Sure, everyone will be theoretically "free" but how free are you if you don't have any money or own any property? In a society where people are allowed to privately own resources and sell them, and you have to buy things to survive, people who don't come from a good starting point have only two choices: sell themselves or die. They're just exercising their "freedom" by starving to death.

yofancy
Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:01:18 GMT

If you feel like it check out libertarian socialism or anarchism, they have long intellectual histories and similar critiques of state power, though they also critique capitalism. Privately ownership over the control of industry and resources is just as unjust, probably more, than state power. How is it that a man who owns a farm, maybe he inherited it, can do nothing while hundreds of people labor on the farm, and the man can keep the product of their hard work? The land, resources, industry and technology that we have should be used for the greater good of society, not for the profit of the individual who owns them. And this can be done democratically and decentralized, without an authoritarian government or state.

ktnpowers
Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:45:58 GMT

Dave does realize that the state of violence exists precisely to uphold private property right? All the wars he's pissed about, both the foreign wars and the war on drugs, are fought for the benefit of the bourgeoise. The existence of government is a natural evolution in the negotiation between haves and have-nots because, in reality... all property exists by the consent of a majority. The majority who have chosen, out of some sense of justice, not to rob you. What if we suppose that robbery is it's own industry? The fact is free market Invented government because you can put a premium on preventing violent revolutions. Duncan, before you become a Libertation read "Contemporary Political philosophy" by Will Kymlicka and "Justice" by Michael Sandal.

01010101
Thu, 30 Mar 2017 20:16:05 GMT

Wow, that was super frustrating to listen to. I'm fine with listening to someone whose politics I don't agree with if there's a surrogate there asking some smart questions. Unfortunately Duncan sounded like a stoned 15-year-old whose friend is telling him how cool Ayn Rand is. The free market doesn't really need more free publicity. Blech.

litoosh
Fri, 07 Apr 2017 17:14:24 GMT

When I listened to this podcast I couldn't help but think about the venus project and Jacque Fresco. Check out this conversation with him and Larry King from 1974: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN6puH9DYnQ

numberofthebeach
Sat, 22 Apr 2017 18:14:09 GMT

Great episode, one of the all time best DTFH shows about ideas. Nice back an forth, hope you have Dave on again sometime!

eharmony
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ttamage
Tue, 05 Oct 2021 15:41:16 GMT

Why not just rebalance the existing budget and reduce military spending and redirect that money from the military into social programs? We don't have to end military activities, even though I disagree with most of them outside of defending our borders, but if we rebalance the military we can cut excessive spending, retire unnecessary outdated military equipment, modernize the military to be more streamlined and less wasteful. And think of the obscene about a money being spent on our military and how much better our country could be if some of that taxpayer money was spent on healthcare, schools, modernizing the infrastructure. If money went into modernizing our infrastructure redundancy could be a key alternative to the existing power grid and road systems that we have. We can update our railroad systems that are completely outdated. We can create communities that weren't so dependent on roadways. We could immensely increase the education of our fellow countrymen leading to better discoveries and more solutions to problems. All of this could be done if we just sta rted spending less money on warmongering, or at least planned our warmongering a little bit better. Serious though with so many new technologies on the horizon it's dumb that we're not dumping money into the development of these technologies and making them more accessible to the public.

ttamage
Tue, 05 Oct 2021 15:45:00 GMT

And when I was saying defending our borders I'm not referring to immigration. I mean we should be here at our country defending it, the motility should be localized not dispersed around the world.

ttamage
Tue, 05 Oct 2021 15:52:20 GMT

I guess redundancy is a vague way of saying that we could expand on alternative technologies instead of relying on the existing power grid and roadways. We can expand on different power sources like solar, wind, and ocean currents. We could create new ways of farming and collecting water. We could expand technologies so that roadways became obsolete and people could fly around in affordable aircraft. When these new technologies and concepts became successful and productive the overabundance can be used to help other places that need food or extra energy.

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