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Fri, 13 Feb 2015 04:08:30 GMT

George Evans
Thu, 12 Mar 2015 06:54:18 GMT

Doug wrote, >I'm beginning to think that George might be George's wife? Thank you, Doug. You could not have paid me any higher a compliment.

George Evans
Thu, 12 Mar 2015 06:55:32 GMT

Bryan-G wrote, >My wife and I lead our house, but I am still the head of my wife… You can't use your present situation in a sinful world to explain Adam and Eve before the fall. That's backward. >He named all the animals in the world, I think he was there more than a “few hours”, more like days or months. How did Adam spend days and months alone when Genesis 1:31 says male and female were created on the sixth day? >Just because you are lost without someone to lead you does not mean other men are… I would go with God on this one if I were you. None of us are good when we're alone. If you think you are different or better than Adam, that's arrogance. >By this, I've concluded that the reason George want's women to lead, is because he's incapable, so he assumes all men are like him. I'm so sick of his anti-male attitude. No, I liked the way Doug said it better.

Bryan-G
Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:13:45 GMT

> @georgethe54th > You can't use your present situation in a sinful world to explain Adam and Eve before the fall. That's backward. Dirt is dirt before and after sin. Air is air before and after sin. I gave you 2 examples of how someone can rule and still be under someone else, it's about leadership, before and after sin: _You mean like the president and vice president? Is it too hard for you to understand that you can have 2 leaders with different rank? My wife and I lead our house, but I am still the head of my wife…_ > @georgethe54th > Genesis 1:31 says male and female were created on the sixth day? It does not say that female was created on the sixth day. Genesis 1:27 just says they were created, but doesn't say when. > @georgethe54th > If you think you are different or better than Adam, I can't imaging how you mind works, where do you come up with this? I never even hinted toward this.

Bryan-G
Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:15:41 GMT

> @georgethe54th > You can't use your present situation in a sinful world to explain Adam and Eve before the fall. That's backward. Dirt is dirt before and after sin. Air is air before and after sin. I gave you 2 examples of how someone can rule and still be under someone else, it's about leadership, before and after sin: _You mean like the president and vice president? Is it too hard for you to understand that you can have 2 leaders with different rank? My wife and I lead our house, but I am still the head of my wife…_ > @georgethe54th > Genesis 1:31 says male and female were created on the sixth day? It does not say that female was created on the sixth day. Genesis 1:27 just says they were created, but doesn't say when. > @georgethe54th > If you think you are different or better than Adam, that's arrogance. I can't imaging how you mind works, where do you come up with this? I never even hinted toward this.

Doug Yowell
Fri, 13 Mar 2015 17:19:53 GMT

> I'm beginning to think that George might be George's wife? I should have been a little more clear by adding ..."writing to George."

George Evans
Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:50:55 GMT

Bryan-G wrote, >I gave you 2 examples of how someone can rule and still be under someone else… These were unnecessary in order to understand Adam and Eve before the fall as neither was under the other. Genesis 3:16 introduced a new relationship. Just because Eve was Adam's helper doesn't mean she was under him. God is your helper. Does that mean God is under you? I don't know if I can say this much clearer. At some point it's going to be up to you to understand it. >It does not say that female was created on the sixth day. The activities of day five ended in verse 23. The activities of day six ended in verse 31. Between those verses is described the events of day six. Verse 27 says He created *THEM.* Then in the next verse He talks to *THEM.* Eve had to be there on day six. >I never even hinted toward this. God said Adam was not good without a wife. You said you weren't lost without a woman. That's arrogant.

Bryan-G
Sat, 14 Mar 2015 01:21:47 GMT

> @georgethe54th > These were unnecessary in order to understand Adam and Eve I'm not talking about Adam and Eve, I'm talking about how leadership works. Am I typing in Chinese? You are so locked in to a single thought you just can't see outside it. It doesn't matter who I'm talking about or when, having *TWO* people in charge of something yet one being over the other is the *POINT*. > @georgethe54th > God said Adam was not good without a wife. No he didn't! Wow, now I see where all my arguments with you come from, you have such a limited understanding of the Bible. He did NOT say Adam was not good, he said it's not good for Adam to be alone. It's just common sense that he would be lonely, one man alone on the whole earth. Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him > @georgethe54th > Between those verses is described the events of day six. Verse 27 says He created THEM. Even if it was the same day, Adam was still first and named all the animals without Eve. He did what he was told, he named them, you said he didn't > @georgethe54th > God gave him the simple task of naming animals and all he could do was stew and fret and run around looking for his mate It never said that Adam even thought about having someone to be with, it was God that decided Adam should have a helper, Adam never asked for a companion.

Doug Yowell
Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:34:13 GMT

> @bryan-g > Adam never asked for a companion. Out of sight, out of mind.

George Evans
Sat, 14 Mar 2015 05:56:59 GMT

Bryan-G wrote, >It doesn't matter who I'm talking about or when, having TWO people in charge of something yet one being over the other is the POINT. We *were* talking about Adam and Eve and your *POINT* does not apply to them as they were originally created. You are trying to impose post fall thinking on a pre fall relationship. >It's just common sense that he would be lonely, one man alone on the whole earth. Really? God wasn't good enough company? So you must be reading Genesis 2:18 something like, "It's not good for man to be lonely, I will make him a friend to keep him company." But He didn't say that. He said the man needs help. He couldn't hack it on his own. >It never said that Adam even thought about having someone to be with, it was God that decided Adam should have a helper, Adam never asked for a companion. So you think when verse 20 says, "there was not found a helper comparable to him," it means God was looking around and couldn't find one, but Adam didn't care? It says a helper for Adam *was not found.* Who do you think was looking?

Bryan-G
Wed, 18 Mar 2015 04:52:05 GMT

> @georgethe54th > We were talking about Adam and Eve and your POINT does not apply to them as they were originally created. You are trying to impose post fall thinking on a pre fall relationship. This has nothing to do with pre or post sin. It has to do with leadership. Were Adam and God equal? No, but Adam had dominion over the earth, but guess what? So did God, but they were not equal.

George Evans
Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:43:55 GMT

Adam was not Eve's leader or god. Adam was Eve's equal.

Bryan-G
Wed, 18 Mar 2015 21:04:35 GMT

The Bible never says that.

Doug Yowell
Wed, 18 Mar 2015 22:10:04 GMT

The question is, equal in what way?

George Evans
Wed, 18 Mar 2015 23:43:52 GMT

What the bible *doesn't* say is that Eve was created as a subordinate. If anything, the creation order would argue in favor of Eve being superior. All through creation week God had been creating up the ladder of animal kinds. It culminated with humans and human creation culminated with Eve. You guys need to be careful when trying to use 1 Timothy 2. That's not as strong a line as you think it is. Paul isn't necessarily arguing that man was the boss. He could easily have been using Genesis 2 to argue that women shouldn't dominate men nor should men dominate women. The problem in Ephesus seems to be that women were dominating men.

Doug Yowell
Thu, 19 Mar 2015 05:04:29 GMT

> @georgethe54th > What the bible doesn't say is that Eve was created as a subordinate. Nor does it say that Adam was created to be Eve's helpmate. > @georgethe54th > If anything, the creation order would argue in favor of Eve being superior. And that superiority would explain why Eve was the first to sin but God held Adam responsible for the fate of the human race?

George Evans
Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:00:58 GMT

That superiority would explain why the battle would be fought between Satan's offspring and Eve's offspring and Eve's offspring would be the Savior. Adam was responsible because he was supposed to be Eve's watchdog. Also, before Adam fell the human race remained split 50/50. His fall sealed the deal.

Doug Yowell
Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:56:06 GMT

Will wonders never cease?

marcoantoniovillacorte
Wed, 15 Jun 2016 04:37:04 GMT

THE ADVENTIST POSITION ON ‘THE MARK OF THE BEAST’ FROM 1850 – 1899 1. WORSHIPING JESUS ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK OFFENDS GOD! 2. ASSEMBLING WITH OTHER CHRISTIANS ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK OFFENDS GOD! 3. CEASING FROM WORK ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK OFFENDS GOD! Ellen White Review and Herald, July 13, 1897 wrote: “WHEN YOU OBEY THE DECREE THAT COMMANDS YOU TO CEASE FROM LABOR ON SUNDAY AND WORSHIP GOD, . . . YOU CONSENT TO RECEIVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. From the founding of the movement until 1903 Adventist believed and taught that the Mark of the Beast was SUNDAY observance which entailed both cessation of work and worship of God on Sunday. In other words if you want to avoid the Mark of the Beast you must WORK on Sunday and not rest on that day. Source: http://loudcry.org/sda/archives/393

marcoantoniovillacorte
Wed, 15 Jun 2016 04:53:52 GMT

How could a prophet not consistent to his/her words? Source: http://loudcry.org/sda/archives/393

slightmiracle
Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:17:23 GMT

Seventh-day Adventists have kept Sunday since the late 1800s when our pioneer missionaries to Tonga mistakenly assumed that the government there would follow Samoa's lead in switching their time keeping to the American zone. It never did. The missionaries then decided that Sunday would be the Adventist Sabbath, claiming, "The Tongan people keep the seventh-day Sabbath but call it Sunday." Wrong. The Tongan people keep Sunday but Adventists, to this day, think its the seventh-day Sabbath. Now Tonga's SDA Mission president has joined forces with the other Church leaders to lobby the government to ban bakeries from opening on Sunday! After over a century of fighting these laws we are up to our necks in it!

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