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Cycling Lane in Sinchon?

Philip Partington
Thu, 10 Sep 2015 08:46:10 GMT

Hi, little information here. I live right by Sinchon Station (Gyeongui line), which is where the photos below were taken about fifteen minutes ago. These weren't here this morning! About every ten metres or so maybe they're painting a bicycle symbol on the pavement of the rightmost lane of traffic. There is no lane separator, just the entire lane's width is covered by this symbol. I wonder if they're planning on giving an entire lane to bicycles or simply encouraging cyclists to stay off the sidewalk and share the lane. I believe Sinchon is going to have bicycle sharing by next year, isn't it? [Bike symbol](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:WMEb:file2015.9.10.54221.jpeg.jpg) [Painting truck](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:uJxp:file2015.9.10.54241.jpeg.jpg)

nimedi
Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:17:32 GMT

Yes, it helps. Tomorrow I'll visit Sinchon and check out the changes :)

Philip Partington
Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:14:40 GMT

@nimedi Hope you can visit after Saturday too!

Philip Partington
Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:37:01 GMT

@nimedi Maybe you're checking out the bikes right now? Haha. Anyway, here are some more photos just in case. [Adding arrows](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:f0ye:image.jpeg.jpg) [Back streets](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:jQMe:file_1image.jpeg.jpg) [Hard ride](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:4WWL:file_2image.jpeg.jpg) [Additial arrows](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:d5SX:file_3image.jpeg.jpg) [Pavement text](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:Br2W:file_4image.jpeg.jpg) [New station](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:0HZX:file_5image.jpeg.jpg) [New trash](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:iGkh:file_6image.jpeg.jpg) [Bikes!](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:2vuS:file_7image.jpeg.jpg) [Scanner](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:r9fS:file_9image.jpeg.jpg) [Bike](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:MTcU:file_8image.jpeg.jpg) These were all taken about one hour ago. They're still adding paint to the pavement as well as smaller signs all around the neighbourhood. Even new bike stations are popping up. The first set of bikes appears to have come in sometime on Wednesday. Up close, they look very clean and new. You can see the bikes will be very much sharing a lane with cars. One photo above shows that lane weaving into traffic to allow for busses. Looks pretty dangerous.. There have also been several trash bins added around the designated biking path. Interestingly both sides are for recycle and a separate trash bag sits in front of each. Finally, I checked the prices today on the sign . 30,000₩ for one year? That's less that 100 per day! The shortest rental time appears to be one day at a rate of 1000₩. Maybe I'm reading that incorrectly, but if that's true, it sure beats Goyang-si, where the bikes costs that much per hour. And I thought that was pretty good already. Anyway, if the bikes become popular, they'll have to add far more I would think. And like you. Said before, a dedicated bike lane would be nice. In most of the major streets around here, the sidewalks were recently widened by eliminating some lanes of car traffic. Perhaps they'll later be able to reclaim some of that space for bike lanes; the cars are down to one lane in each direction for the most part (although the bus street from Sinchon Station to Yonsei would do well as a pedestrian mall!). As an aside, you should check out the Yonsei front gate if you're here. I believe the construction is finally just about finished.

Philip Partington
Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:45:53 GMT

One more thing to add.. I just tried the website (http://bikeseoul.com ) but trying to register gives a message that the system isn't finished yet. Not sure if this is an issue with the mobile site or true across the board. I assumed it was the same system they have going in Yeouido but I haven't tried that either.

Philip Partington
Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:00:23 GMT

Sorry >< More info. 현재 서울자전거 홈페이지는 테스트를 위한 임시 오픈 상태입니다. (시민들의 원활한 사용을 위한 홈페이지의 모든 기능시험을 하고 있습니다.) 그러므로 회원가입, 이용권 구매 등은 정상적으로 수행되지 않습니다. 이에 유념하시고, 서울자전거 홈페이지의 오픈날까지 기다려 주시길 바랍니다. - 시범 테스트기간 : 2015.09.19 10시~ 10.14 18시(여의도, 신촌 지역) - 정식 운영 오픈 : 2015.10.15(여의도, 상암동, 신촌, 4대문안, 성수동 5개지역) Source: https://www.bikeseoul.com/customer/notice/noticeView.do?noticeSeq=1 The signs posted around Sinchon claim use can begin from Saturday however. I wonder if this is indeed a public testing period or not. At any rate, I haven't been able to find the smartphone app either.

Philip Partington
Thu, 17 Sep 2015 12:03:05 GMT

[Station names](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:me04:img_0017.jpg.jpg) [Corporate donation](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:DEwQ:img_0018.jpg.jpg) [Test flyer](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:7Bc1:img_0020.jpg.jpg) [Sinchon map](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:THQ0:img_0021.jpg.jpg) [Yeouido map](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:LEBo:img_0022.jpg.jpg) [Under construction](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:14PZ:img_0019.jpg.jpg) Couldn't resist some night shots. Each station is given a name and number, like the bus and subway systems. The Sinchon/Hongdae area looks about ready to go, while Yeouido appears essentially empty (haven't visited in person recently). I went to a station near Edae as pictured, and the amount of bikes there was already reflected on the map. A small informational poster was in each of the baskets at this station and one had been blown out by the wind so I took it home. Looks like the bikes are open to free use for the month of testing starting Saturday, but you'll still need to register to use them. Also, while the website and stations all state that operation is 24 hours, the leaflet says there will be no use between 1:00~5:00 a.m., perhaps just during the testing period. The poster touches on one more issue which I had wondered about and found information on at the Seoul Bike website (con fusingly registered as bikeseoul). Although you can pay to use bicycles for a day, and have unlimited access to renting and returning throughout, they have a system in place to prevent people from keeping the bikes too long. After one hour, you will automatically be charged 1,000 won every 30 minutes, to a maximum of four hours (6,000 won). You're not supposed to have the bikes any longer than that, and ideally under an hour each time.

nimedi
Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:56:14 GMT

Thanks a lot for all the information!! I've been to Sinchon on Wednesday. I was lucky that I could see some of the bicycles. On the main page you'll find a new article about the system. Thanks again and if you have time, let's meet for dinner! Or we can try out together the bicycles after the official opening!

Philip Partington
Fri, 18 Sep 2015 06:23:23 GMT

@nimedi Actually I was reading your new article when your message came in, haha. The information you found in the official plan was all very interesting. I'm saddened however that I might not be able to try the bikes for another month! Anyway, sure, when we've both got time, let's meet up!

Philip Partington
Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:18:55 GMT

Can confirm that the system is up and running. I saw two bikes missing from the racks, plus a father and son give up on trying to rent, and one woman successfully rent. The registration system is now up on the website but it won't accept my credentials, so I'm not sure of the exact status of the system yet. But it's definitely going.

Philip Partington
Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:24:06 GMT

Day one experience: There are three operational bike stations close to my home so I checked them all out between 9:30 and 10:00 a.m. At ten I checked on my phone again for registration and apps. Still no apps but the website was now accepting registrations. Unfortunately the ID validation wasn't working so I went to try at home. On my way I saw one person successfully rent a bike. [iPhone fail](//muut.com/u/kojects/s1/:kojects:yVcA:01iphonefail.jpg.jpg) [Difficult access](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:niUi:02difficultaccess.jpg.jpg) [New recycling](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:F9ra:03newrecycling.jpg.jpg) [Bike get!](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:umfR:04bikeget.jpg.jpg) [New sign](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:D7zj:05newsign.jpg.jpg) Signup worked as expected at home (and on a Mac using Safari, so it should work pretty much anywhere). A phone number is required; address is also required, though probably not checked; I was asked for my ID number later but I believe that was for registering a credit card with the service. My credit card has post paid T-money service on it so I registered that to the site and once it was confirmed I went out to rent a bike. I followed the instructions and scanned the card, but each bike said the card was not registered. I return ed home and found this notice on the site, which was posted today: >*결제관련 공지사항날짜* >이용권 구매 결제 시 일부 신용카드와 모바일 T-money결제가 지원되지 않아 공지해 드립니다. >불편을 드려 죄송하며, 조속히 개선할 예정입니다. > >- 지원되지 않는 결제수단 : 신용카드(현대카드, 하나카드) / 모바일T-money >- 결제지원 시기 : 다음주중(9.21~25) That would explain why the card wasn't working. I'll try again with that on Monday. Oddly, the site registered the card fine, but clearly it wasn't working within the system as a whole. I'm not sure but I believe that the T-money number associated with such cards is actually different from the credit card number, and that may be the problem. I didn't try to register a fake number to test. [Desktop signup](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:wk7M:07desktopsignup.png.jpg) [Card registration](//muut.com/u/kojects/s1/:kojects:mo8d:08cardregistration.png.jpg) [Usage info](//muut.com/u/kojects/s1/:kojects:4DLw:09usageinfo.png.jpg) Luckily I have a whole slew of different T-money cards: that credit card; a prepaid integrated debit card; a visitor's CityPass+ card; a vanilla card, issued 2012; and an Angry Birds token (did not test the latter). After ID verification, the rest of the site works on iPhone, so I was able to change up which card is associated with my account while actually at the bike station. Using any of these prepaid cards gave me a new error, which I had to record and send to many friends as my Korean isn't that good and even most of my friends said it was too unclear to understand! Finally it was determined that, while my card is registered, I am restricted from using the bikes. I continued to watch people come and go at the three stations for some time. Except for the one person, I didn't see anyone else rent a bike. Many people came to look and inspect the bikes, and quite a few tried to rent, but without success. The automated voice on the bikes is quite loud and so I heard many people receive the error about their card not being registered. I didn't hear the restricted access one outside of my own attempts, so I'm not sure if I did something wrong or if, despite all the encouraging signs, only those chosen for the test period can use the bikes this month. A call to the call centre didn't provide any information as they seem to be closed on weekends. [Same cyclist](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:qo6T:06samecyclist.jpg.jpg) [Curious onlookers](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:EqtP:13curiousonlookers.jpg.jpg) A fourth station near my home has been completed but is still taped off and has no bicycles. Interestingly, at the populated stations, each bike's basket was also given a foldout map, one of which I took home to inspect. One side shows Yeouido's network while the other shows Sinchon. Of note, the legend on the Yeouido side appears to copy/paste the subway line names from the Sinchon legend, so they are incorrect. [Info booklet](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:Ku9G:10infobooklet.jpg.jpg) [Sinchon map](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:thoW:11sinchonmap.jpg.jpg) [Incorrect legend](//muut.com/u/kojects/s3/:kojects:hOhu:12incorrectlegend.jpg.jpg) Credit card use is to be supported from Monday and the call centre will presumably be open, so I'll be trying again then. I'll also keep an eye out tomorrow to see if there are any other people using the bicycles.

nimedi
Sun, 20 Sep 2015 01:46:16 GMT

Good morning, Philip! Great to hear that you were able to rent a bike ....almost :D I registered to the service through the official app "따릉이" and then later at home I added my T-Money card. The registration was very easy. It's just important that the phone is registered on one's name. At first it was somehow strange that the app didn't directly ask me for a paying method or if I want to purchase a membership. But I was in a hurry and I couldn't pay 100% attention to the instructions of the app. I would also prefer to use my credit card for the service instead a T-Money card (as long as they except my card). The neighborhood map looks interesting! Good that you spotted the error. Something like this shouldn't happen, esp. if they print hundreds or thousands copies of that map.. I hope that you'll finally be able to ride one of the 따릉이s soon. I don't know when I'll visit Sinchon or Yeoudio again. Maybe it's better to wait a couple of days until the system is more stable. Would you like to write a guest post about the public bicycle system from a user-perspective? Sum marizing all the info that you provided here and add a test ride (when it's possible). If you don't want to, it's also OK :)

Philip Partington
Sun, 20 Sep 2015 02:38:53 GMT

@nimedi Thanks for pointing out the name of the Android app. It's different from what they've been advertising it as (서울자전거 "or" 서울바이크) but today they've added a small press release about it to their site and also noted that the iPhone app won't be available until the official service launch next month due to Apple's review process. (They suggest iPhone users sign up via mobile web but, as I mentioned before, this isn't actually possible.) I also didn't think to add money to my card at first, but did so after it failed to work the first time, thinking perhaps this is why the card wasn't accepted when scanned. However that same press release says something about payment being automatically cancelled at this time due to the free riding period (I put a small amount of money on my account anyway to test). I would love to write an article about the bikes. Thanks for asking :D I'm not (at least, yet) a heavy bike user, and I would want to wait until successfully using the system a few times, of course, which means it could be more than a month before that's possible. I unders tand if you have no use for the article by then, but I'll ask you later if you don't by that time. :) I'm also aware I posted a _lot_ of information to the board here, which I thought was okay because this section is more about discussion, but let me know if we are intended to keep this area more succinct. ;) As for that map error, my girlfriend suggested I let someone know about that. I imagine they already know but perhaps if I find an email address for the bike program coordinators I can let them in about the map as well as the mobile web glitch. Just curious, but where do you live, approximately?

nimedi
Sun, 20 Sep 2015 04:05:00 GMT

Hey! I live in Suwon. I often visit Seoul but not the corner of Sinchon or Yeouido. You could try to send an email with the map error to realjihun@seoul.go.kr, coordinator of the citizen monitoring program for the bike sharing (source: http://bike.seoul.go.kr/bbs/?board_id=notice&wr_id=338). If you send us an email (info@kojects.com), then we can talk about a guest post and meeting. A guest post around the end of the trial period would be nice.

Philip Partington
Mon, 21 Sep 2015 01:12:10 GMT

@nimedi Sounds good. I'll send you an email sometime soon. Thanks for the coordinator's contact info; in a short related update, I read the citizen feedback portion of the site yesterday morning and used that to successfully rent a bike! Time to get some experience. Oh and, on Suwon, I saw recently there is a double decker bus (7770 to Sadang) out of Suwon now. Do you know if this is a single bus trial or if they're already moving to replace other red busses with this new model?

nimedi
Mon, 21 Sep 2015 05:16:34 GMT

No rush with the email :) Yeah, the double decker is still on trial but so far it works very well and the reaction by the public is positive. Now it's just one vehicle, as far as I know, but they unveiled more vehicles and they might be used for more routes or the same route. Gyeonggi-do has to do some feasibility studies and big data analysis about what buses can be replaced by the double-decker.

Philip Partington
Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:52:31 GMT

@nimedi Great. Thanks ^^

nimedi
Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:17:54 GMT

Hey, I don't know if you saw this: https://www.facebook.com/Kojects/posts/595116100627860 I plan to join (as long as I don't something unexpected comes up). Maybe you're interested in this international symposium as well!

Philip Partington
Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:57:11 GMT

@nimedi Sorry, I missed your message! As it turns out, I had to leave the city just one hour before the official 따릉이 launch (Thursday@10) so I wasn't in Seoul for the symposium anyway. Were you able to attend? I came on tonight to let you know that I'm still interested in writing that article, if you would still like me to write it. The trial period has ended but I'm in an exam crunch for the next two weeks... I am, however, still testing out this and that; taking pictures, screenshots, writing in to the website, observing others, reading articles, etc. Today I did a test bike->bus transfer and will see if the mileage system shows up. I also successfully registered my credit card for the overage payment service, although that process failed on the website and only worked through the Android app. Anyway, between exams and wanting to condense down everything I've observed, I would need some time. Let me know if you're still interested. I'll check back here soon.

nimedi
Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:49:29 GMT

Hey! Yeah, of course. No hurry with the blog post :) After the symposium on Thursday I tried out the system. I bought a ticket (for 1,000 KRW) and borrowed a bicycle from a station behind city hall. I was very excited and the system worked well. I'm just very disappointed by the lack of bicycle infrastructure. Paint on the streets isn't enough. :(

Philip Partington
Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:52:36 GMT

@nimedi I agree with you and the media seems to agree as well. However, they point to other cities where they had to accept a slow building process between interest and infrastructure in order to meet the final goal. Hopefully Seoul will do the same :)

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