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Ikonoskop A-Cam DII Facebook User/Community Group

gabrielwinebrenner
Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:14:34 GMT

Posting the link of the new Ikonoskop user group, Jaak put up, so it can be easily found in this thread as opposed to coming across it in another thread which had another topic. https://www.facebook.com/groups/205234443575719/

Peter Mullett
Mon, 08 Oct 2018 10:40:33 GMT

Thanks Gabriel, very handy but as I don't "do" Facebook or any other social media stuff I guess I'll miss out on this. I hope though that this forum doesn't disappear like the "For Sale" pages have this year. Very odd to have had that happen without any pre-warning that I was aware of. Anyway, do you still have your A-Cam? Cheers........Peter

gabrielwinebrenner
Mon, 08 Oct 2018 13:22:32 GMT

Hi Peter, glad to see you are still around. I sold my camera awhile back, but had recently the opportunity to buy it back which had been my intention for the last year as I only sold it initially, like most others, due to what sounded as the company being led into a "grim demise," every time I was able to converse with Joachim about information, for updates, or parts. Honestly, I'd ask a question or make a suggestion such as the possibilty of more card reader pcbs since there were only a couple or so left; or more motherboards (two pcbs inside), and get a rude reply in return. Now, look what is happening with all the part failures....I and I believe others like myself, don't like to be treated as such, no matter how much we love a camera or any other product, and the fact that with a camera failure, the possibility of 7000 euro+ down the drain=, why put up with it anymore. But with all the efforts made from countless people trying to communicate with Joachim/Pete Teo in the last many months, I decided against buying the camera back now. Who knows what the current owners hip's deal is? Simply an IP grab all along? Makes sense, if so, with the non-disclosure agreement cast on the old ownership during the bankruptcy/company trade off, the deletion of the old forums to the old ownership's surprise, etc.. etc.... Who knows. One thing is certain, though. When Ikonoskop stopped being profitable for Joachim, it all shut down. And suddenly was labeled by Joachim, "as old tech," and "antiquated."

Peter Mullett
Mon, 08 Oct 2018 13:43:02 GMT

Hi Gabriel, good to hear back from you. Yes I still have mine though it's little used these days, but when I do use it I still really appreciate the look of the CCD sensor. Sure, Joachim is right, it is "old tech"....but then so is film and despite the rumours to the contrary that's not dead yet and in some ways it's doing quite well with more Hollywood films being shot on film these days. Kodak Motion Picture Group has had a good couple of recent years. It would be good to know if the company in Sweden can still do some basic maintenance on the DII, I forget their name now but maybe you have record of it. As for you thinking of buying your old camera back, why not? You'd probably get it at a knock down price now that Joachim has seemingly given up on the camera system. Didn't quite follow what you were saying about the "old owners surprise" at the deletion of the old forums, did you mean the original Ikonoskop folks and the original forum? And what would the "IP" grab be? Sorry you and others seem to have experienced bad humour with Joachim, I never have it's always bee n cordial and helpful, but I am mystified why he hasn't responded none the less, to me personally and as I have learned today to others too. My last email from him was on the 2nd June telling me of the movie Thithi by Ramm Reddy that he described as being "absolutely wonderful", he still gave the impression of liking the A-Cam just those few months ago. I hope there's a good reason for the "silence" and I do hope that he's well and thriving in his other business, ( colour correction and studio / gear rentals ), and that he surfaces soon.............and personally I hope that this last limb of Ikonoskop fellowship isn't severed. All the best Gabriel, Peter

gabrielwinebrenner
Mon, 08 Oct 2018 14:36:25 GMT

I still don't know if Now Electronics in Sweden is doing repairs or not Peter, after all this time since this forum starting asking more serious questions regarding the future of Ikonoskop, almost a year ago now? Maybe someone else can chime in? Someone on the facebook forums had successfully sent their camera there at one point, but I'm not sure it was through Joachim or not at this point. Others though, have stated that Now Electronics do not reply when directly emailed, and I think that is the more general consensus. I sent messages to Joachim/Pete Teo on facebook, email, etc..., prior to your last speaking with him and they went unanswered as I believe I'm just generally disliked by him (Joachim) or trigger him in such a way. Which I always thought was silly, since I just was a customer with what have turned out to be, valid concerns for all those involved. The old ownership, treated my questions, interests and concerns about the the camera with respect when communicating with each other via email, etc.... They were really good guys. Went out of their way to mak e the impossible, actually possible: Acam mods, etc... etc... I think they made a bad deal and regret it now with the new IP owners of Ikonoskop, but that's just a guess. I also believe Pete Teo and Joachim basically got this company for FREE. But that's where the lawyer-ed-upped non-disclosure agreement now comes into play and works out for the new ownership. The old owners can't divulge their disgust how it turned out. Nor, it seems, can we.

Peter Mullett
Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:15:21 GMT

Hello again Gabriel, well I am happy to report that Joachim did respond to me today, the delay being simply that he's just really busy with the colour correction work side of his business and I guess I can fully understand how time does evaporate. He says that people tended to try to sell their gear on his forum rather than the For Sale pages and that took income away from those pages making it uneconomic to maintain the For Sale section, and I guess I can understand that although it's a pity because in my view it was a much better way to show things to sell so perhaps we've just got ourselves to blame for that as we should have supported it better and not side-stepped it by advertising our gear here on the Forum. Such is life. Again though I do hope we can maintain this Forum even though it seems to be attended by fewer and fewer contributors, but we have to understand too that nothing's for free and someone has to pay for this to exist and whether he can afford the time to do so all the time Joachim is that person.

gabrielwinebrenner
Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:50:05 GMT

After all this time, eh, Joachim makes an appearance? Joachim has destroyed Ikonoskop, single-handedly. Its userbase weren't the culprits. Joachim should not blame the Ikonoskop userbase for the company's failure, it's ridiculous. That is like blaming the victim. The old company should have never trusted him to begin with, apparently. People skipping his fee to list their camera on his "for sale page (which I paid him twice to list my camera package)," had nothing to do with the demise of the company. Replies to customers indicating his departure from caring about the company what-so-ever, is what brought about many people losing lots of $$$$ and time in this workflow. I can't believe, that after all this time and silence, Joachim is talking about lost revenue due to a couple camera packages he couldn't tax, in his rawcinema used gear sales thread. Total joke.

Peter Mullett
Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:47:42 GMT

Well as I said Gabriel I've always had good contact from Joachim, slow sometimes but I understand that Ikonoskop now for him is a side show and I think as owners of a very unique and relatively rare camera perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised to find it hard to get help and service. Perversely I am in the same position with my Aaton Xtera S16 gear as I find myself with the A-Cam DII, even Aaton themselves have stopped most of the support for their film cameras and concentrate now on their Audio Cantar products. Saddens me no end, but it's a fact of life these fast moving digital days.

gabrielwinebrenner
Mon, 08 Oct 2018 18:14:45 GMT

I see your point Peter about digital not being forever serviceable, forever on out. But ikonoskop's end was more so, an abortion than a natural life cycle. It started immediately with the deletion of the ikonoskop forums after the takeover. This wasn't some mandate in the court bankruptcy rulings, to delete the old forums. Once these guys got the company, they treated the old guys like they never were friends to begin with and the friendship built, was proven insincere. Cold as ice. Too bad that Now Electronics who built the camera originally, have the ability to produce extra parts in batched runs whenever Joachim says so as well as the ability and initiative to provide service to shipped-in a-cam cameras, but this is being denied? Also too bad that the original ikonoskop owners, who assembled/dealt with the cards rather than Now Electronics, have this water-under-the-bridge, it would appear, with Joachim, to the degree that the camera has gone through a premature life cycle/abortion, due to a take over of the company that should have never proceeded in the first place ? It's sad. I wouldn't say this fallout between the old ikonoskop and those who scooped up the company, has anything to do with the camera being digital. And the Aaton Xtera, 416, sr3 hs of the world, I'd argue will be serviceable 50 years now from quite a few camera shops since it is pretty much completely mechanical. Kalle and other were smart to sell their acams when they did and scoop the rock bottom priced sr3, 416s and xteras, when the prices were unbelievable. Ah well. Glad Joachim is talking with you though Peter. I could actually though, care less since he's screwed everyone over.