“Of sound mind” doesn’t disappear by just being impaired. Coherently answering if you understood your Miranda rights as well answering questions responsively may be all a judge will need to pass on the motion of whether this confession should be tossed out. JMO tho
Good lord, I've been on morphine and who knows what I would have said I did!
It may not have been morphine but for some reason I was thinking that's what it was.
Hadn’t Ryan’s brother told Payne he wasn’t drinking? With all his heath concerns that previously happened I wonder if the prospect of speaking with investigators would have him turn back to old vices. Good point on drug tests upon entry to local jail. Probably to gauge ones mental state and possible suicide claims would make sure a prisoner is screened for their toxicology
Not sure if this is accurate or not but just trying to fit pieces of the puzzle together. If they drew his blood for toxicology/DNA etc could that have been when he talked to the nurse Dusty reported about? I believe someone mentioned Ryan was getting blood drawn.
If only there was a PharmD around who could explain opioid equivalency to you guys. https://www.med.unc.edu/aging/fellowship/current/curriculum/palliative-care/UNC%20Equianalgesic%20Card%20-Dec2009.pdf
Basically dose is what is important. These are all equal doses: Codeine 130 mg PO (roughly 4.5 Tylenol #3s) Morphine 30 mg PO Fentanyl 0.1 mg IV Oxycodone 20 mg PO (4 Percocets) Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) 7.5 mg PO
Pharmabro, what exactly are you trying to say here?
Just that "being on morphine" doesn't automatically mean he was out of his mind.
> @realnachosnow > You’d be able to tell if someone was on morphine, literally one of the strongest narcotics you can get. Disagree.
I would have thought Ryan’s “confession” would have been on tape and if he looked/sounded even half as bad as he did in his court appearance then it wouldn’t be hard to argue that he wasn’t in a fit state whether it be drugs, alcohol or mental health issues. You don’t have to be under the influence of anything to have residual mental health issues from substance abuse IMO.
Someone with more legal knowledge (which is probably anyone and everyone because I've got none) can weigh in on what the Jackson v. Denno hearing entails. Isn't it more about whether a confession was given voluntarily? Or does competency and state of mind come in to play as well?
Primarily a coercion issue, yes
Some cases have been questioned via Jackson Denno where the defendant claims intoxication and authorities should have not tried to illicit an interview or confession with someone who was obviousy not sound mind at the time. Usually DUI related where there’s prior proof to intoxication. The vast majority are tossed as long as Miranda Rights were stated and agreed to.
That's what I figured.
When it comes to obtaining a confession LE is granted a wide berth of what they can say or lie about. For coercion to be found it’s usually threat of harm (or actual physical violence) to the interviewee or others closely related
I sincerely doubt there will be any line of argument or legal precedent that will render Ryan’s confession as being null and void.
While I’d like to agree with you @fringed The GBI and local LE seem to have bungled this case over the years and I’ve followed the Kendrick Johnson case in nearby Valdosta GA. The GBI was the lead on that death and let’s just say there were some very interesting claims by the GBI concerning the death and how events afterwards were handled. Didn’t really instil confidence in their trustworthiness
>The GBI and local LE seem to have bungled this case over the years I agree that local LE bungled the case. From the standpoint of the GBI I think the likely and most probable scenario is one going right back to the beginning where due diligence on the part of the BI was minimal at best and taken at face value from much of local LE handed their way - things that we know were untruthful, misleading and tainted. I have no doubt that this is where the bungle occurred - with local LE and one mighty big, stinky cover-up. It is hard to drop the ball when one doesn't have said ball - meaning GBI perhaps never had the information they needed to even consider these boys. My feeling, and I believe this will come out, is that the coverup amongst local LE will reveal a sordid tale that led the GBI way off track thanks to the most wicked and dastardly of ways of a grooup of locals. Perhaps it will be found that GBI should have done more but the problem with why this too k so long to solve comes directly from Ocilla, GA and local LE. The town and a group of its residents are responsible for this. Dusty was right in that it will shake Ocilla to its core.