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Sun, 29 Jul 2018 13:45:12 GMT

@bodukes1984: He was my best friend. Yes it was wrong. I knew then. But there was a lot more at play at the time. So what do we all think was at play back then rumours and hearsay have popped up alot of theories and some are getting closer to the truth than i think has happened in 12 years But what relationships and motives do we think had the most part to play in this cover up

Sun, 29 Jul 2018 14:27:33 GMT

My concern is all that the defense in these trials is find cause enough to create reasonable doubt i think they have solid evidence to convict Ryan but do they have enough to convince a jury that Ryan did this alone i dont think they do

Sun, 29 Jul 2018 14:46:01 GMT

Nope, me either. If everything comes out at the trial, if the truth actually surfaces and it seems like it will, that's better than certain people managing to keep it all buried, so to speak.

Mon, 30 Jul 2018 01:53:46 GMT

I’m wondering if the things in play had to do with his family and their political presence in the area?

Mon, 30 Jul 2018 02:12:19 GMT

Definantly i just cant see influences with that much pull doing this to protect ryan. possibly if the other boys present participated in the cover up and burning prior to them finding out it may have been done to protect them and their families interests but if they choreographed the boys actions as a means of covering this from the onset it needs to be exposed

Mon, 30 Jul 2018 02:53:14 GMT

Nope, not to protect Ryan. Ryan would've been thrown to the wolves a long time ago. This goes back to Bo and two other boys who helped, and the protecting of their families' involvement by being kept quiet.

Mon, 30 Jul 2018 03:12:30 GMT

It seems pretty obvious to me. Bo helped cover up the murder by burning the body on his uncle’s land. Bo’s grandfather was involved in politics at the time and this would have been quite the scandal for his family. The body being disposed of on family property would have made the story that much more scandalous.

Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:15:31 GMT

Burning the body only makes sense if it was to hide DNA.

Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:55:58 GMT

It also makes sense if you're lazy and don't want to dig a hole, or if you are worried that some animal might eventually dig it up leading to the body being found on your family's property.

Catwoman (daystar)
Tue, 31 Jul 2018 16:15:17 GMT

Ryan just solely committing the crime and then choosing to involve someone like Bo by taking the body and leaving it there for days before taking action just still doesn't add up.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:16:39 GMT

It wouldn’t make sense to help burn a body unless there’s something to gain.. like getting rid of DNA. And if Ryan killed her why didn’t he just stage a bonfire and burn her without them knowing? He was allowed on the land apparently, how else did he ditch a body without drawing attention.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:36:10 GMT

I truly believe there was some dna stuff going on in this case, but I will say that I would burn the body even if not. I mean if I accidentally killed someone I wouldn’t want the body found and burning it seems like the most likely way that to ensure it would not be. I’d rather a missing person case than a murder. Harder to solve it seems.

Catwoman (daystar)
Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:53:03 GMT

It seems so crazy that he wouldn't have been concerned about her body just being out there to be stumbled upon for days before he took Bo out there to show him according to Bo's story. It is hard to imagine that the guilty party would just be unconcerned about it being found and linked back to them. Plus, Ryan's family had land nearby too.. why use Bo's? I still don't buy the pinning on it theory that Bo was scared because it was his family's land etc. Like I don't think that Ryan was like I'll take it to Bo's orchard and then he'll HAVE to help because if not he'll look guilty. Uhh not if he didn't do it. Not if his DNA is nowhere to be found. It would seem more likely that you wouldn't involve anyone even a friend because what if they just turned you in instead? So I guess I'm in agreement about DNA for the most part.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:14:02 GMT

If somebody accidentally killed someone, how traumatic would that be in itself? If it was an accident, why then go to the godawful trouble of burning the body. I mean, damn. That's a whole other level of messed up.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:48:40 GMT

There was an FBI profiler on the Undisclosed podcast - Jim Clemente, I think is his name. He laid out reasons someone would and wouldn’t relocate a body. It reminded me of Tara’s case as the state is apparently alleging Ryan broke into her house with intent to steal, then ended up murdering Tara. According to the FBI dude, people don’t take the risk of removing a body if they don’t have ties to the victim and aren’t afraid of being easily identified. That sounds right to me. It’s never made sense why he wouldn’t just hightail it out of there. What exactly are they alleging anyway? That he backed the truck right up to her door? Because all of it seems incredibly risky. That’s also mainly why I have a hard time believing her car wasn’t involved in the removal. That, and the doors being unlocked when she notoriously locked them, and the positioning of the driver and passenger seats.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 19:06:06 GMT

Right. If it's an accident, seems like you'd have an easier time explaining that to the police. Plus, knowing you killed someone accidentally is traumatic enough. Once you go to the extreme length of burning a body....I mean, why put yourself and anyone else in hotter shit by doing this? Not to mention destroying a human being and traumatizing all who's involved.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:58:40 GMT

Also, just plain why would Bo risk burning a body in what had to be a long, big fire on his uncle's property unless he absolutely HAD to.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:00:31 GMT

Risk of getting caught by his uncle had to be less than the risk of ignoring the situation altogether. Which says something.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:14:50 GMT

@undersea_captain How would explaining to the police that you broke into a woman's house and accidentally murdered her, which would mean a definite prison sentence, be easier than disposing of the body and potentially avoiding any prison time altogether? You basically answered your own question. Why put yourself and anyone else in hotter shit by doing it? Because you could end up getting away with it, which Ryan did, for more than 10 years, and maybe even longer depending on how the trial goes. Why do some people speed off when they're involved in a car accident? Why do people run from the police? Maybe there's some other story here, like Bo is the real murderer and had to burn the body to cover up DNA evidence. But maybe he just didn't want to create a scandal for his family and thought he could get away with it. If that's the case, he was almost right.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:28:43 GMT

After I typed that, I thought about it, and it definitely depends on the real context here. IF it were an accident, even going to the local pd may not seem like a great option at the time because you're freaked out. How he got to her place and what he was doing at her place would make a big difference, too. If he were there for consensual sex and her death an accident, then I can't see burning her body as the next step. If it was intentional murder-or even accidental in this case-and/or he/they were in her house uninvited, then yeah.

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:35:46 GMT

Even if it were accidental, he could be charged with involuntary manslaughter, which is 1-10 years.