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realnachosnow
Fri, 03 Aug 2018 22:46:45 GMT

Ryan was set up by Bo and or others by pinning it on him while he was “blacked out” why did Bo lie to SA JS when questioned previously in 2015(2016)? Why cover up any aspect if only to pin it on Ryan if the authorities caught wind of the swirling rumors? When Ryan’s alleged confession was given to local LE who “searched” the pecan orchard 2 weeks after Tara’s disappearance why would NP and or AM brush this info under the rug so to speak? Relation to Ryan; Connection to the Hudson’s; Fear of another friend or relative may’ve been involved. Was it merely the ineptitude of local LE to not follow up and question Ryan as to what he had been accused of saying just after Tara vanished? Was it moral ineptitude because those searching the orchard did in fact not want to find Tara for their own personal reasons or prejudices? If a police report was made by the officers who initially took the complaint of hearing Ryan’s alleged confession, was that report not formally submitted to the acting Chief, Sheriff or leading Case Agent of the GBI to hide a sincere possible lead in Ta ra’s disappearance? How far could a potential cover up go on up the chain of command? Or was it simply nipped in the bud before more prying eyes would get a chance? Ryan’s fake FB profile: It’s been alleged that a FB profile with Ryan’s name made only a few posts and had contacted a former teacher in April of 2015. If it was indeed not Ryan was this an attempt to help form a potential avenue to find guilt of Ryan by someone with knowledge of Tara’s disappearance? Was this created after a potential inquiry by the GBI looking into Bo following info obtained by the GBI about Bo telling others about “the pecan story”? Lots of questions here and maybe not all need to be answered to get a clearer picture of what happened in Ocilla over the years but the more that can be answered, sans hearsay and speculation, the closer to the truth that we seek for Tara and her family we will get.

realnachosnow
Tue, 14 Aug 2018 23:02:15 GMT

What form of communication would Dusty have been alluding to? Not an official report is my leaning, possibly an email, text, social media post or DM?

SlickWilly
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 00:36:16 GMT

Good question Nacho! I don't think many people know the answer to that. I know he never said exactly what he read but he was certain he read the scenario that is being told.

tendrils
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 01:18:27 GMT

Can anyone help me understand this statement by witness who heard grand jury leak in episode 21? "Dusty’s source: He said that Bo's standing over her when she woke up, and that it freaked him out so he hit her. And I said, "with what?" And he said, "well, hold on," so he started to tell me, he said he hit her and then, I guess it scared him and he left. He came back the next day, and wrapped her up in a blanket or quilt. What was crazy was his cousin was telling him, yeah, just right there in daylight, middle of the day, I'm thinking the morning time. But he went back and got her, and put her, wrapped her in blanket and put her in the back of the truck." "I guess, took her out to the orchard ... basically I guess happened in the dark, whenever he hit her, and then he freaked out and the left, and then he came back the next day, this is what the guy told me that he said...." To me it reads like Bo was standing over her, was surprised when she woke up, and hit he r. Also, how would you interpret the bit about his cousin was telling him? Bo's cousin telling him? and telling him what? To go back and get the body?

Osmosis
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 01:31:06 GMT

Theres the blanket / rug again when we were discussing what the dogs could of hit on, this was discussed ,but as far as we know no blankets or carpet /rugs were missing from taras i think someone actually asked Anita that question and she said no it has been a while though i could be wrong does anyone think the blanket is relevant at all if partial bits of rug were found at any time over the pond searches do you think it could of held any traces of DNA

realnachosnow
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 02:08:35 GMT

@Tendrils Just to be clear Dusty’s alleged grand jury leak never said it was Bo standing over her. That would make no sense in Ryan’s murder trial. That would be Ryan who was over Tara in this scenario that the Grand Jury would hear. And secondly when it comes to the cousin aspect I believe the person we hear telling the story to Payne would be a friend of whoever heard the Grand Jury testimony from their cousin. Hence when we we hear cousin that relates to the juror who was hearing the testimony in court. That is my takeaway at least and I’m not sure how open to interpretation it is

realnachosnow
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 02:12:27 GMT

The juror (person A) tells their cousin (person B) who in turn tells the leaker (person C) who spills it to Payne. That explains the further convo about who knows how much the cousin (person A or B) has been telling others

tendrils
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 02:28:03 GMT

Thanks Nacho, I think the transcript on this site is in error saying "Bo's standing over her". That's what had me most confused. I went back and listened to the audio and i'm pretty certain it should read "he's standing over her". I also agree with your interpretation of the cousin being a relationship within the rumor mill of the grand jury leak.

southga75
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 02:32:20 GMT

That's exactly how the information was exchanged.

maisymouse
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 04:14:11 GMT

Apologies if this has been discussed already but the motion for the State to disclose any deals done with witnesses is an interesting point.... that could relate to Bo - the obvious one, or maybe another witness?

Catwoman (daystar)
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 04:32:55 GMT

I agree @maisy- I've long been curious about other possible deals that may or may not have been made.

tendrils
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 04:51:01 GMT

I hope not deals for anyone just parroting Bo's narrative

maisymouse
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:09:01 GMT

Yes @cat when I read the request for disclosure of any deals I immediately thought of Bo but Bo HAS been charged so maybe the defense are not only looking at him but another person as well...someone that has escaped from being charged with anything.

realnachosnow
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:08:55 GMT

@Maisy Just because Bo has had formal charges drawn against him since Ryan’s arrest I would assume the defense would want to see if there was ever an immunity plea that maybe led to Bo giving his testimony as an accomplice in certain aspects of the crimes alleged towards Ryan. Even though Bo now faces charges Ryan’s defense will probably argue that Bo may’ve been given a free pass to implicate Ryan allthewhile giving credence to his narrative as it implicated himself *but* with the literal get out of jail free card. It’s odd that Bo claimed he had immunity (unsure if he ever actually did) and then he either fucked it up on his own by speaking about the crimes he committed or potentially was set up to a doomed immunity plea as he had already misled LE with his prior meeting with Agent Shoudel. Anyone have a clearer picture of a potential immunity deal? I would think if one was potentially set up the GBI it would cover all of the state districts within Georgia meani ng Wilcox wouldn’t have a way to levy charges on Bo if the GBI had an active deal with Bo. All so very odd to me

Catwoman (daystar)
Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:25:59 GMT

It would just be extremely intriguing and might take this case in a whole different direction if we suddenly find out that another player in this narrative came forward without anyone knowing or leaking and told a version of events. If that happened we'd have a whole new set up questions centered around that person and what they knew, how they knew, what their motives are, what their deal entails, is someone setting up the deals for them aka: pulling their strings or pulling strings for them, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...

phansmom
Sat, 18 Aug 2018 03:03:45 GMT

I don't doubt that one of those two had been in Tara's house before, and entered through the window. I think Bo or Ryan lured Tara to the house on Snapdragon so Ryan could have his way with her. When or where they lured her there was either on her way home from the BBQ or just as she arrived home, with something like "oh hey Miss Grinstead, can you give me a lift to such and such a place, my truck broke down, or my ride left me, and She probably drove one of those two right to Snapdragon where she was over powered. Bo then drove Tara's car back to her house, walked right in her house, locked the door behind himself and was staging a crime scene when Heath Dikes arrives. There was lamp on when Heath got there but was off later when the neighbor let people in the house. Is this the broken lamp in the bedroom? Bo left via the window, and probably walked halfway round the house to see if Dikes was still there, and plants the glove. He either had his truck parked near her house or where the second glove was found. I would not be surprised if Bo wore gloves over gloves for the purpose of leaving the outter pair behind to add to the confussion. Most first responders wear two pairs of gloves, incase you either rip one or have multiple patients. It saves time and prevents disease transmission in the event you have multiple people that need care. God only knows what they did to poor Tara in that house. This is where the blackout story fits in. Whatever they actually wrapped Tara in came from that house. Was she dead when she was moved from that house, I don't think so! Bo and Brooke are full of crap saying that Ryan concealed the body for four days in the orchard before Bo saw it, and it was blue and bruised. It would have been green/yellow, bloated, swarming with insects, and off gassing after four days. I think Ryan thinks he killed Tara and was too freaked out to realise Bo strangled her when they got to the orchard. They dug a pit, oiled her up, and burned her in that bonfire. Burning the house on Snapdragon served two purposes. It was a distraction and it burned any evidence those two didn't clean up. The SUV was just part of the distraction. I can't explain the Sherrif's Uniform. Was it in SUV and removed before the SUV was burned so it was taken and the patches removed, or was the uniform just another plant? 42" pants are kind of on the large side. The Sherrif's office would know who's pants they ordered in that size wouldn't they, or do we actually have a third party that was a LEO at the time? This is all speculation.

reddirtandpine
Sat, 18 Aug 2018 03:14:08 GMT

Seems like the connection between Ryan and Tara or Bo and Tara would have been much simpler than that. Just my opinion.

fringedwellingdiva
Sat, 18 Aug 2018 08:19:54 GMT

>or potentially was set up to a doomed immunity plea as he had already misled LE with his prior meeting with Agent Shoudel. Anyone have a clearer picture of a potential immunity deal? I would think if one was potentially set up the GBI it would cover all of the state districts within Georgia meani ng Wilcox wouldn’t have a way to levy charges on Bo if the GBI had an active deal with Bo. All so very odd to me It was a doomed plea most likely but this was exacerbated by information the BHC DA received I would think. The idea was to get Bo on as many things as they could to put him away. It seems obvious the BHC DA wants him locked up and would fight any immunity deal he may or may not have THOUGHT he had. It wasn't sewn up. They can be retracted very easily if he lies and he was found to have lied. The deal isn't with the GBI. The deals are with the Das.

fringedwellingdiva
Sat, 18 Aug 2018 08:22:45 GMT

>I think Bo or Ryan lured Tara to the house on Snapdragon so Ryan could have his way with her. I doubt it. There is and has never been any logic with Snapdragon Rd. What evidence is there at all with this location? None except a dodgy dog hit. At least I haven't heard of any definitive evidence but please tell me if there are now bonafide facts about Snapdragon Road (not just rumor) and I will retract my position.

an_amateurdick
Sat, 18 Aug 2018 12:06:33 GMT

Damn, @phans. You jumped the shark last night. Big time.

🇺🇸 JC 🇺🇸
Sun, 19 Aug 2018 02:17:54 GMT

Interesting about the house on Snapdragon, when you put it that way @phans. I believe on the last Q&A Payne took a question about that house and said he firmly believed it was a White Rabbit. Even though you said speculation... Funny how the dogs hit on the burnt house on Snapdragon. Maybe not a White Rabbit after all?

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