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SO....Why not the Death Penalty????

Justice
Sat, 09 Feb 2019 02:54:40 GMT

Why haven’t they gone for the death penalty against Ryan? Is it that he confessed and they took it off the table?

Osmosis
Sat, 09 Feb 2019 12:24:25 GMT

Or they dont have enough evidence to barely make life stick? I'm not saying he isnt guilty i just dont know id's any of the theories told to gbi buy ryan and bo are true maybe parts are but but how can you prove storybook g that may well not of happened

undersea_captive
Sat, 09 Feb 2019 20:38:14 GMT

My guess...in a death penalty state, if you want a confession, you take the dp off the table. To me, that's one of the best reasons to have death penalty, to elicit a confession. OTOH, with the dp hanging over heads, it could also lead to a lot of false confessions in order to avoid the threat of the dp in that moment.

Justice
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 01:20:32 GMT

No false confession in this case. NO coercion, No beating down the defendant....he confessed shortly after he arrived. Right? What am I missing?

emphasisonlife
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 01:49:01 GMT

There’s no way someone murdered Tara inside her house, left her there for hours, yet there was no clear evidence of anything nefarious happening inside her house. There’s no way someone removed her body from her house, about sunrise (which was around 7:40am) on a Sunday morning, and nobody witnessed it. Ryan isn’t Houdini. There’s no way Tara uncharacteristically and coincidentally forgot to lock her car that particular night. There’s no way her murderer thought to lock up the house behind him. A random burglary gone wrong does not lead to the perpetrator returning to the scene to remove the body. The confession does not fit. Whether Ryan is guilty of Tara’s murder or not, his alleged confession is false. Anyone and everyone who was involved in Tara’s murder should be charged accordingly. That’s the issue. If Ryan is solely responsible for Tara’s murder and is just lying about how and where it happened, fine, convict him. But what he said in that alleged confession isn’t the truth. Somebody needs to tell the damn truth for Tara Grinstead.

undersea_captive
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 01:53:37 GMT

Oh I don't know if it was a false confession. I also don't know what all happened between the time the GBI visited him the day before to the time he walked into the office the next day and started talking without a lawyer present. That's on him.

sandiebirdie
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 04:44:28 GMT

I think the 💣🔥will be the judge announcing his decision against venue change of trial.

sandiebirdie
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 05:29:15 GMT

Ryan confessed to taking Tara’s life - and, with Bo —-horribly decimating her body by setting her body on fire and burning it until she was gone (throwing “trash” on her body to keep it burning). HOW her life was taken, they don’t want to tell. WHY her life was taken and WHY her body was torched/trashed - he/they aren’t going to tell. Neither one want to tell. Each one has a story for how it is they don’t know what happened (Ryan: black out / Bo did it; Bo: Ryan did it somehow IDK how I wasn’t there and he didn’t say). No surprise I guess that Ryan/Bo after 13+years of deception continue with deception. Ashamed, it was SENSELESS and SELFISH. Does the jury need to know exact details of WHAT happened .. (decipher the ongoing deception/lies) to render a verdict: guilty of murder / not guilty of murder? I don’t think so.

emphasisonlife
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 14:07:18 GMT

The truth matters. We don’t have to know every single tiny detail, but the overall arch of the burglary narrative is faulty. The prosecution has to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, not only that Ryan murdered Tara, but also, beyond reasonable doubt, ALL the charges including burglary. The burglary angle looks like Swiss cheese. It appears that’s what they are going with. So, yes, this is a problem. If they present the case in this manner, the defense has a lot of potential to discredit the prosecution’s case, to build reasonable doubt. I believe that’s why AM decided to leave the charges on the table - burglary, the alleged location of the murder is the weakest part of the prosecution’s case, and leaving concealment gives the jury the option to convict Ryan of that lesser charge. Despite what some have said, I believe this was a very smart strategic move by AM. I believe Ryan lied in his alleged confession - why though? Was it because he doesn’t actually know what happened but was scared, for himself and his family, and went with a burglary story that was hatched in 20 05 when the glove was discovered? Is it because he knows what happened, was involved, and the truth is worse? We have no idea. Some have been skeptical that Ryan wouldn’t know, but helped conceal Tara’s murder and still took sole responsibility. What if Tara went to the Oconee house that night to see Ryan but Ryan was passed out drunk when she arrived? What if someone saw an opportunity, was rejected, and didn’t take no for an answer? What if Ryan really was told he murdered Tara but he didn’t? He would have likely been distraught, panicked, confused. What if he made a horrifically wrong decision to go along with concealing Tara’s murder? Even if he didn’t believe he did it, if Tara’s body was right in front of him, wouldn’t he be in an extreme emotional state and have doubts? Wouldn’t he have doubts from then on, warring with the sense that he wouldn’t have possibly done something like that? Especially if Ryan doesn’t concretely know what actually happened? What if it was clear to Ryan that Bo was pinning it on him after the GBI came by and Bo allegedly contacted Ryan? What would, “Why did you do this?” and, “Leave me the f*** out of it,” mean in that context? To me, this is equally as plausible, if not more so, as the idea that Ryan, or Ryan and someone else, bumped into Tara while she was out somewhere that night and attacked her with no witnesses. Both are more plausible than the burglary turned murder narrative with no clear evidence inside the house and all the other issues.

juliet-1
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 14:38:15 GMT

@emphasis , what’s the Oconee house ? Never heard that mentioned. Is that snapdragon or somewhere else. Yes it would be wrong to put the wrong person in prison for life. But the way he has changed his story three times is what makes him so unbelievable. He confessed within a few minutes and knew about that 411 call. That was never released to the public. Then those recordings where he says he was in a relationship with her but in the confession summary he goes into he didn’t know it was her until he saw her pictures around the house. I find it hard to believe that if you live in Ocilla , have her as a teacher, yet you don’t know where she lives. That is like a zero on the truth meter. All that is just really looking bad on him. The descrepencies are what look so terrible. Not to mention how many years he stayed silent , and didn’t seek advice or counsel from a family member or lawyer. Yes the truth would be great but at this point I wouldn’t be surprised to hea r yet another 4th version. So sad for Tara and her family , that the truth may never be known. Sure as heck doesn’t look like it. Anyway guess we will hear more in the trial, what’s the Oconee house ?

undersea_captive
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 14:50:33 GMT

I think @emph meant the Fitzgerald house where Ryan lived.

undersea_captive
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 14:53:45 GMT

Yeah, the jury doesn't have to know why. Sure, they will want to know why, just like the rest of us. But it's not their job to convict based on why it happened. I think that's why we may never know what really happened, because Ryan nor Bo have to explain it.

undersea_captive
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 16:07:04 GMT

And what the state/GBI will have to answer for is why the home wasn't considered a crime scene, like, ever. Not until the confession did the GBI ever say that what happened to her happened at her home. So the state/GBI will be disproving itself, or at least its previous assertions.

juliet-1
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 16:36:46 GMT

It’s defintely a convoluted mess, f uped.

lexala
Mon, 11 Feb 2019 16:48:12 GMT

Emphasis, yes.