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The innocent man

Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:58:11 GMT

Have any of you guys watched this documentary on Netflix? (It is also a book but documentary is much more informative). This man came to this “false” confession in a matter of days. They based his guilt off a dream and he said they basically started telling him what was the truth. Imagine 11+ years of being told/believing/threatened to believe a narrative. Also, did anyone watch dateline last Friday night?? It was about a botched police investigation (murder) due to having tunnel vision once they made their mind up. I’ve been trying to look outside of this case for other examples of stuff like this happening. It blows my mind and breaks my heart all at the same time. Is it a lack of training? Is it pressure to solve the case? What happens in these cases where things go terribly wrong??

Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:18:47 GMT

I have not watched any of those but a lot of false confessions go something like this. It generally starts off the record and the police tell the alleged perpetrator that they know they did it. They have the evidence to prove it. Maybe so and so person has already told them the story. You are going to go down for this but if you cooperate and confess, it will be a lot better for you. It is in your best interest to cooperate (confess). It will make you look better in court. Then the recorder is turned on and the accused perp falsely confesses and in court it turns out the police did not have much and the confession is their main piece of evidence. Happens often with false confessions.

Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:47:44 GMT

in the bond hearing Shoudel made a BIG deal about how Ryan was the one who said Tara’s name first (I guess to push back against this idea)

Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:57:40 GMT

And just like so many things with this case, Ryan knowing they were there about Tara doesn’t clearly indicate what part he played. It says he was involved and we can also infer he knew exactly what they meant because they wouldn’t be there for any other reason, meaning he must not have an extensive history of committing crimes the police don’t know about. And before anyone goes nuts, yes I’m aware he confessed, and I’m also aware he recanted that confession long ago. I’m not convinced either way. I’m waiting to see what the defense and prosecution lay down at trial.

Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:52:38 GMT

@twopancakes the same JS who said on the stand that he didn't know what BDs new charges in Warner Robins were for?

Sat, 06 Apr 2019 22:50:05 GMT

yeah i wasn’t sure if he meant he wasn’t aware of the specific charges (which, okay) or if he wasn’t aware of the situation overall (which if so holy shit!!) plus does it make sense to say ryan said tara’s name first if just the day before the GBI agents encouraged bo to send ryan a facebook message to “entrap” him regarding her case (if i am right about the order of events)

Sat, 06 Apr 2019 23:07:30 GMT

Pancakes, Ryan also told his mother it was about Tara after the GBI went by. No clue if that was before or after he and Bo exchanged messages.

Sun, 07 Apr 2019 00:02:15 GMT

I love your posts Dawg4! They’re always 👌🏻

Wed, 10 Apr 2019 16:46:24 GMT

Thank you :) sorry I never responded to any of these or put any more input in . It’s been a crazy week and I have not even checked the board in two or three days so I apologize but thank you guys for chiming in !!

Fri, 26 Apr 2019 17:28:36 GMT

It is noteworthy that AM questioned JS about the reid technique in regards to his interrogation of RD. "In the Reid technique, interrogation is an accusatory process in which the investigator tells the suspect that the results of the investigation clearly indicate that they did commit the crime in question." It goes along with the scenario that I mentioned about false confessions and that I am familiar with. It is very damning that JS did not record the entire interview with RD. I think the unrecorded portion was where he used this technique of suggesting that they know he did it and have the evidence to prove it etc.

Sat, 27 Apr 2019 00:55:41 GMT

JS’s sworn testimony at the bond hearing was Ryan was video/recorded - with the exception of the period of time when JS / SA Holland went to meet Ryan upon arrival (introduce themselves to Ryan / Ryan family members with Ryan which was his mother and stepfather) and the period of time walking Ryan to the interview room. Once in the interview room, the recording was started. When questioned about not video/recording every moment, JS said he could have put a recorder in his pocket for the periods unrecorded (described above) but he did not think it was necessary. I thought that was reasonable. Ryan’s mom and stepdad strike me as like most of us - if they had witnessed Ryan being treated harshly, we would have heard about it. Plus Ryan’s mom reached out to JS with her concerns for Ryan’s well being (suicide risk) - I doubt she would have reached out to JS if she thought JS was a complete jackass.