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Horrible Second Season

anon19943
Wed, 06 Feb 2019 21:47:48 GMT

Anyone else think that listening to drugged out hippies speculate about what happened to another drugged out hippie is a loss? I loved the first season but this really feels like nothing more than wasted time. There are no reliable witnesses and Payne walks around confronting people about rumors(not even credible ones). If I have to hear one more person describe this missing woman as an angel on earth I am going to vomit. It's just as plausible she wandered off into the woods in some drugged out meth frenzy and was eaten by an animal. It's Colorado and it happens.

kayw66
Thu, 07 Feb 2019 04:22:29 GMT

I hear you. think I found it interesting being a local. If I was not a local, I probably would have lost interest. I don't know...Or I would have found it all bizarre enough to keep listening. I get And you know what? Your hypothesis is not entirely out of the question.

lokimuffin
Thu, 07 Feb 2019 14:53:56 GMT

While I couldn't disagree more with OP's characterization of Krystal or lack of empathy about just a fellow human being, I have to admit to frustration with the second season. It presented different challenges for the podcast from Tara's in that a relatively short time had passed and there weren't as many witnesses or theories to get into. Naturally it didn't tie into a neat bow and there weren't any arrests, but that would be like expecting lightning to strike twice. No one could have predicted the way the first season would have turned out. I hope that the increased media coverage will help Krystal's case eventually be solved. I did have a very hard time following the second season. Turning to the discussion board helped in a way, but it also confused matters by bringing in a slew of initials, etc., that weren't in the podcast. Then I had to go to facebook only to find things more disjointed and confusing. It was much more difficult to follow the second season. However, I do care about Krystal and her family, and I hope for the best possible outcome for them at this po int. My problem was with the narrative, not the subject (and it's not even necessarily UAV's fault that it turned out that way).

beebers6918
Fri, 08 Feb 2019 00:30:02 GMT

I think there was a ton more information to go off of in the first season. I get where you’re coming from there, we got spoiled by a deluge of somewhat credible witness statements. Here we are kind of left wondering. However, it’s really poor form to speak I’ll of a presumed dead woman.

anon19943
Fri, 08 Feb 2019 10:39:04 GMT

How is it speaking ill? She was a drugged out hippie that used Meth. That was stated clearly and repeatedly in the podcast. Is the truth speaking ill? If they were just honest and told her story instead of taking half the season to paint her in a positive manner (tons of testimonies) maybe they would get somewhere. It's not their job to make me like her as a person. We don't have to like or agree with people's lifestyles to want justice for them.

guymonok
Fri, 08 Feb 2019 11:17:00 GMT

Sorry. But just because somebody made poor choices , her life is less valuable than Tara Grinsteads? I don't believe that. Someone hurt a person. It is worth investigatig.

whoisbryce
Fri, 08 Feb 2019 13:26:51 GMT

The reason the second season was horrible had nothing to do with what type of person Kristal was. It has to do with Payne and his team taking advantage of everyone they possibly can so they can get the next thing in the rumor mill. Not one thing presented during the entire period was fact, or evidence based. He tried the sammmme bullshit in season 1, but was handed a golden egg (1, maurice working years on it) (2, Ryan 'confessing'). I think maybe that was the goal for this season as well, stir up whatever bullshit rumors that come up and offer nothing fact based or evidence based. But he didn't have anything, he had shit junkies have been passing around for the 2 years since, constantly contradicting himself, adding 15 min of advert each episode. Eventually the SS's of Payne and co. harassing towns people, threatening them, shaming them, whatever unethical tactics he could possibly get to grow his bullshit brand. Payne wants fame, nothing more- nothing less, i think that should be fully understood before anyone takes these clownshoes seriously.

hercules_q_rockafeller
Fri, 08 Feb 2019 14:34:48 GMT

I agree with a lot of what you are saying @whoisbryce and this is been brought up several times before. I do however think it is unrealistic for a content creator (especially in this time) to not try and profit from what they create. I cannot really fault him for this, because I for one would probably do the same thing in his shoes. It does at times seem to drift on the side of exploitation at times, but I think that may just be a byproduct of the subject matter. It is frustrating that there is no fact based evidence in this case. It makes me wonder how far into the case he was before he realized this himself. This was made more evident by the fact that people are either just not talking because they don't want to or because they were told not to by LE (as in "Landlord's" comments). Either way, I do feel really divided about how I feel about the podcast in general. To me, I didn't really care for the first season and was very much more enthralled with the second.

hercules_q_rockafeller
Fri, 08 Feb 2019 14:36:33 GMT

As a side note, I do not know much about the people involved in the creation of UAV and how they get their info, tactics they use, etc.

lexala
Sat, 09 Feb 2019 01:39:42 GMT

I have a feeling that Payne was swayed by his uncle being a local. This along with the case needing more attention and Crestone being quite eccentric made him go for it. But if not for the Uncle, I think we would have gotten a different case. I definitely was not as interested in Season 2 because of the Crestone locals. It just did not resonate with me. I had a hard time relating to it, and that is saying something I think because I have experienced a thing or two in my life. These people were just too far out there for me with the crazy ramblings. I don't mind a crazy rambling (or 2) but damn...after a minute or 10 of it non-stop, you lost me and my interest. I think my favorite part was hearing about Kristal. She sounded like a lot of fun and I wish I had known her.

lexala
Sat, 09 Feb 2019 01:47:26 GMT

And damn, speaking ill or speaking truth, what honestly is the point of writing that? Surely you can get your point across without that...

lokimuffin
Wed, 13 Feb 2019 16:20:56 GMT

Payne's uncle sparked his interest in this one, perhaps. His grandma (or maybe just it being a Georgia case) sparked season one. While geography and connections make certain things easier, maybe it shouldn't be the number one consideration when choosing a case, I guess. That said, I still hope the things stirred up bring justice for Krystal. I also hope we get a someone who isn't necessarily an attractive young white woman next season. Just like Krystal's lifestyle made her someone whose story wouldn't necessarily get attention, there are other demographic groups who are overlooked.

lokimuffin
Wed, 13 Feb 2019 16:23:52 GMT

And some people like to blame the victim because it puts distance between themselves and her fate! They like to tell themselves that because they're "good people" and don't use meth, they won't disappear. We're all one bad happenstance away from being a future season of UAV.