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Just to Clear some things up.

itsmethelandlord
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:53:09 GMT

I talked to Payne twice. Once in March, Once a couple of weeks ago. He so far has just put snippets of what I said in here. He's probably got a good reason for doing that. I can see how it might be perceived like I'm hiding something, but I assure you, I'm not. I don't want to get too into it, but I will clarify some things. First of all, I wasn't the owner of the building, I was property manager, and anything I did for the building I had to run by the real landlord first. When I reported Krystal missing I talked with the owner and got his permission to get a deputy to go in there with me. I was afraid to go up there by myself in case I found her dead up there. I had Deputy Tyler go in with me, and the deputy was the one going through her phone, not me. They were on speakerphone. Yes, Catfish was the last person to reach her on her phone. As far as I know deputy brought the phone with him back to the station. I don't know about her computer. I would never in a million years ever open up her apartment to someone other than the cops or her family. I certainly never gave he r phone to anyone. Krystal never told me herself where the party was at, I heard it was Catfishes through many friends that came by, her "crestone boyfriend", and Matthew. Matthew is a kid, I've ran into him over the years, it's a small town. He boasts a lot, it's hard to know if he's serious sometimes. After he told me he'd been up there, I reported it to the police, along with the footsteps complaint, I also had the lock changed on the Lobby door. The police seemed to think it was just boasting. That's all I can say in here. We'll see what happens. Krystal was a friend of mine, I care about her, her family, and also this community I live in. I'm a single mother with a 11 year old girl. I care very much about Justice, and Safety. I hope with all my heart we find out what happened to her. This has been hard for me having all this come up again, I can't even imagine what her family is going through. All I can say is it was extremely frustrating for me on how her disappearance was handled. I live in a small town. I can handle gossip, but keep in mind we are people too, and not everyone is a suspect. My advice would be keep an ear out for inconsistencies in peoples repeating stories, pointing blame at someone else, evading direct questions, vagueness, or negating things you know are facts. Also keep in mind there's a possibility this could involve 2 or 3 people, not just one. There is nothing fact wise in here that is different from what I said to Payne, you just have to listen.

boardedup
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:18:28 GMT

Evergreen- so Catfish was talking about what time frame then? This would have had to be month(s) previously, doesn’t add up? Also she just explicitly said sbove she went into the apartment with deputy Tyler, no mention of Jeremy. Further more what would be the reason for asking Jeremy to call and give a statement if he was inside with her and deputy Tyler? This still isn’t adding up...

evergreen
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:21:01 GMT

A lot of what catfish says doesn’t add up. I’ve talked to Ara so she’s told me these things I’m telling you. Catfish specifically said Kristals landlord Electrum was kicking her out. She only lived in her apartment one month before going missing.

shades_apart
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:25:25 GMT

If she was only living in the apartment for 1 month before going missing; then how is it possible that Ara went looking to collect late rent, when Kristal gave the story she was supposedly raped?

boardedup
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:28:32 GMT

“I would never in a million years open her apartment up for anyone other than the cops and her family” (paraphrased from OP’s post this evening) So Jeremy was or wasn’t with you inside the apartment in the above stated instance? Sorry I’m just really confused, because he was asked to give a statement about the apartment, but he wasn’t inside before, and wasn’t mentioned in the above post, but allegedly it was his charger used when he was in the apartment on the 30th? We have some serious conflicting stories here?

shades_apart
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:32:20 GMT

And also evergreen: in reference to you saying you went back and listened to the podcast and no where does she say she read the texts messages.... She posts above that only snipettes of her conversation was released. Maybe I know more of her vocal interview that you do.

evergreen
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:40:06 GMT

She knocked July 2 for late rent. Rent is due on the first. She went missing on the 14th or so. So if she was there a month before going missing, she was there in June.

itsmethelandlord
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:44:45 GMT

I was about to give her an eviction notice, but she disappeared before I could give it to her. For very good reasons I am not going to get into here. An eviction notice is 31 days from being given papers. I was a property manager for a rooming house for 3 years and took my job seriously. I absolutely never opened up her apartment for anyone other than cops and eli and rodney. I left the apartment as it was for the police for 31 days. I never went up there by myself. the fist time i let deputy tyler in, I stood in the apt with him and Jeremy in 202 was in the lobby. her front door was open, so Jeremy heard a lot and looked on. That time was on the 30th of July. The second time was around the middle of July and I let Wayne and the Sherriff (the other guy) in. they searched for about an hour. the 3rd time I let eli, rodney, and Wayne in, to start packing up her stuff. I'm wondering why you are so vehement about this? I have always been straight with Payne. What recordings are you referring to? Keep in mind I have spoken to the police, the cbi, and Payne fo two years. If p eople need more info, talk to Jeremy, Wayne, or the owner of my old building. It all should be in police reports too. Like I said before, Payne only has put little bits sofar. If he actually has tapes with my voice on them saying I let Matthew into her place, I would suspect him of doing some weird stuff with the tapes. He's never struck me as that kind of guy, but I guess you never know. Why are you so defensive of Catfish?All you have to do is re listen to the podcast. Also the cbi has records too. That's enough now. It amazes me just how bent out of shape people get .

shades_apart
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:55:52 GMT

Evergreen : insert foot.

itsmethelandlord
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:58:01 GMT

I went to collect late rent on July 2nd. I reported her missing on July 30th. That's when we listened to her phone. The messages you're referring to were on speakerphone too, either facebook ones or text. By the robotic voice. I let the other cops in around the middle of August, then eli and rodney came near the end of August. It was cleaned and rented out by Oct 1st. Yes, Krystal was my friend. She had problems like a lot of people do. And yes, I was about to evict her, with the agreement of the building owner.

evergreen
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 04:58:02 GMT

Catfish clearly says Electrum was evicting her because she owed her money.

evergreen
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 05:01:26 GMT

Ara planning to evict her is a separate issue from Electrum evicting her.

itsmethelandlord
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 05:22:33 GMT

catfish was obviously confused. The only people that would have known that were the wner of the building, myself, and cbi. I never got to give her the notice because she disappeared.

itsmethelandlord
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 05:27:45 GMT

if someone is taking info from news articles, I wouldn't trust them. Journalists tend to mangle info.

boardedup
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 05:29:06 GMT

IMTLL- thanks again for clearing some stuff up, As far as Matthew goes, you had mentioned that he came by multiple times, he was quoted as saying he had gone threw her phone and computer, you disputed this, but believed what he had to say about the party. This is part of the disconnect I was inquiring about, I can’t speak for anyone else. Where did he meet with you if not at Kristal’s apartment on the occasions he came by? Was it your place or was it in a courtyard? The lobby? What was he asking you about on these visits? I’m not trying to be rude, and I do appreciate that you’re taking the time to try and clear things up. I’m trying to put together some semblance of a timeline, as are others. Surely you can appreciate the line of questions that arise with Matthew. You were on record saying that you thought he felt as though he should have done more to protect Kristal, and that you felt he knew more about the party and her disappearance in general than what he was letting on. This alone raises some eyebrows, but then when you say he returened multiple times, we ll the obvious next question is where did you guys meet at when you talked and what was the nature of the discussion? We have him making the mention of going through her phone and computer, you not believing him when he says this, but Rodney and Eli being taking to his house by law enforcement to actually retrieve the devices?? This to many is so out of bounds it draws immediate scrutiny to everything surrounding Matthew in general. You two were said to be Facebook friends, he had been by and talked to you a few times, it’s s small town in general, but you couldn’t remember his name in the interview with Payne? This drew question as well. You were outspoken “anti catfish” to. From the rumor of the alleged sexual assault, to the party, to him being her last phone contact, a lot of what you said was the basis for many on this site forming opinions of Catfish’s guilt. Though much of the supposed evidence against him has been proven false (and in the case of the Van very possibly an outright fabrication) So again I hope you can understand the reasons that some of us have questions, it’s nothing personal, just trying to get answers to a possible crime with an ever changing narrative. Personally, I still have a question or two in general but I’ll wait for another day once things calm down here a bit, thanks again for the time this evening

boardedup
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 05:52:28 GMT

Sorry but to be clear I assume you meant to say- July 30th, you officer Tyler and Jeremy went in 1st time and listened to the messages “The middle of July” I believe you meant the middle of August correct? This was when the sheriff and deputy were there for a prolonged period of time 3rd time, about a month after the first time the apartment was opened initially, this time for her family And lastly, I’m assuming her rent was due mid month , not on the first? Like the 15th or something? In the interview in the podcast you mentioned you stopped by for past due rent, however you would have already given her the papers prior since you planned to follow through with the eviction by mid July? Just making sure I have the timeline down. Many including myself think money/debt played a a major roll here, so the timing seems extremely relevant visa vie /party/eviction/disappearance

itsmethelandlord
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 05:59:57 GMT

sure. Krystal lived upstairs in 201. she shared a tiny lobby with Jeremy in 202. You have to get through the lobby door before getting to their individual doors. I lived downstairs in a two room place inside a fenced in gated courtyard. You had to go through the gate into the courtyard to get to my place. I lived on the south side, she lived on the northside. I never actually saw the visitors looking for her up there, but Jeremy did. they were going into his lobby. He complained about this to me. Matthew came the fist time in the parking lot out front. He was walking by, saw me, and asked if I had seen her. The second time he showed up in my courtyard and he had a half empty 40 bottle, and was upset. He told me some things, I called the sheriffs dept. Repeated to them what he was saying, then he got on and told them some more himself. He boasted about going in her place and meddling with her phone. I reported this to the cops, Wayne came out, looked at the door, and told me he thought he was just boasting. If you knew Matthew, he boasts a lot. the next day I had the lock changed on the lobby door, and gave Jeremy the new key. That's it. I don't know about the computer thing, but if Rodney says that happened, I believe him. I can't go into too much detail because of the case. Most of Krystals friends that spoke to me were on the Street or the Cafe. As far as I know Deputy tyler from the first search took her phone back to the station on July 30th, but I don't have a mental image of him putting it away. honestly, the whole time Jeremy and I were both a little in shock of the realization that something was wrong, I wasn't watching the cops every move, so I'm not sure. I've known Matthew off and on for years. I have fb friends that I almost never see that live in Crestone. I knew him when he was a teen. he struggles with some things, but he's not a bad person. I mostly would run into him at the brewery. I guess the term is aquaintences. He was genuinely worried.

itsmethelandlord
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 06:01:46 GMT

I also want to remind you that I am not hiding anything, I am being discrete about some things because of the case and my talk with the cbi over a year ago, way before I ever met Payne.

itsmethelandlord
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 06:14:21 GMT

as far as wishing that he had protected her, I'm pretty sure lot's of friends in that scene would feel that way. I know on some level Rodney has mentioned that on how he sometimes feels that way too. It's not always rational. Think about it, if he's a kid with an addiction problem, and he heard or knew some of the people because of common addictions, he can still feel free floating guilt or anger over something bad happening to her. Also frustration. Lots of her friends were talking back then of going to his house and confronting him about her. I don't think they actually did it. maybe for some of them because he was the drug dude? idk.

itsmethelandlord
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 06:15:19 GMT

or they were scared themselves.

clipse
Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:37:31 GMT

thanks for clearing some of this up

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