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S3 E7 Time to start asking Pauls crew or anyone that will talk about him.

rachelh
Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:43:24 GMT

I'm guessing the purpose of breaking up E6 and E7 was to try to narrow down a timeline with Tashina and compare to what Sam has already told us, which would put her in Washington when her cousin Ashley goes missing. So do T and Paul have children together? She said she was pregnant on that trip and has a daughter. If it was Paul's child, she might lie for him to protect her own family. How does T's family and Ashley's family get along after all this? It would make it easier for T if Sam was the killer and not Paul. Paul so far has said nothing and he is incarcerated on other charges. I don't think he is going to say anything...but someone knows about his relationship with Ashley besides T and they must know what Paul is capable of and whether or not he could have killed Ashley or be responsible for her disappearance. Taking Ashley to Washington dead or alive? People often convince themselves of a lie before they tell anyone else. So who is lying here??? Sam's story never changes and that's what makes me feel he is telling the truth although he has no witnesses since his son is the only other person who saw him with Ashley before they left. Sam has had years of drug and alcohol use but is truthful about it. He even said he wasn't a great husband. There are so many rumors about him, it would have been easy to set him up. I would be Paranoid too. Have they interviewed his ex wive(s) and do they think he could have done it? Journals? lets see them. How about interviewing his son Doug and the tribal police? If they are in Paul's pocket or not, they still have authority on the res. Other interviews that could paint a picture include Ashley's family members who also know Tashina and Paul. Ashley's other friends, does she have girlfriends she talked to??? So who can verify that T was in Washington? Where was she staying if she just got dropped off and are we to believe that Paul came back to get her days later? The only reason I can think of that Paul is rushing to and from Seattle is he has a drug connect, he is a dealer of sorts because T never says what the business is or why they go to Washington. But if its only 9-10 hours away from Montana that would explain why he goes there frequently or however often. It is no secret that there are lots of drugs in Washington. I am wondering what crimes Paul was convicted of and what does his criminal record say about him. Is he a violent person? Guessing he is if he is kicking his pregnant girlfriend out of a car. T said Sam was Jealous and choked Ashley but I was under the impression that the two just met. Ashley seemed to be having an intimate relationship with Paul, who was Tashina's boyfriend/husband. How long do we think that was going on for, seems like it was supposed to be a secret but people talk. So what if you just switched to T was Jealous when she heard about Paul and Ashley. T confronted Paul and he left her in Washington. Paul drives back to Montana drops of son, does some business, maybe some drugs since he was driving along trip and or was doing drugs the whole trip. He gets a call from Ashley, picks her up and sees Sam asleep in her car. Paul then learns Ashley was partying with Sam so he gets angry and then...?

sunowl
Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:37:51 GMT

I agree. Sam Mcdonald and V Dog really need to be researched.. IF they did or did not do it. It is really important to know more than what is known now. I cant wait for the next episode

jb4007
Sat, 23 Oct 2021 20:36:01 GMT

It really sounds like V Dog/Paul could be significantly involved with human trafficking or drug trafficking or something like that. 1) Sam said V Dog has put out "a hit" or bounty on him, to be brought in alive so he can be tortured. 2) The FBI & BIA allegedly told Sam that V-Dog has paid off several local cops. If V Dog has enough money around to "put out a hit" on someone and pay off cops, that likely indicates he probably has an illicit source of income. Also, if he engages in "putting out hits" and paying off cops, two actions that are very illegal, that probably indicates he regularly engages in illegal activity. 3) T's description of V-Dog's multiple Seattle "trips" to do his "business" where they got there and then waited around until he "got paid" doesn't exactly sound like a regular leisure trip to Seattle. Circumstantially, it sounds like V Dog could be very involved in significant criminal activity. I hope Payne has been asking T, Sam and others more qu estions about V Dog/Paul that we haven't heard yet. I also hope Payne exercises a lot of caution if/when he tries to talk to V-Dog himself.

bennyblanco
Tue, 26 Oct 2021 21:48:43 GMT

V Dog and Sam are both alarming people in my point of view. I like your insight that V-Dog could be involved in many levels of illegal activity. That makes sense. My take on Sam's story is that is part true. I'm a nurse, and I've seen people come down off meth, and they just sleep. There's an article in the Atlantic that just came out about P2P meth which is causing people to have psychotic reactions to meth after one use. So the 6 day meth-bender definitely sounds true to me. But I'm not convinced the experience was consensual. I even wonder if Ashley tried to run away. Maybe VDog and Sam know each other too... Am I the only one who feels like nobody in the podcast is being 100% honest other than Kimberly?