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miss_bee
Tue, 09 Apr 2019 18:13:35 GMT

It doesn't make sense that RD stated that TG was clothed yet BD claims that when RD took him to the orchard, she was not clothed. Wouldn't RD have wondered where her clothes went? Little things like this in what RD said and then what BD said don't add up. Either RD lied or RD was not there when BD says he saw her and she was nude. In other words, RD had no idea that she was nude. The family of TG says that clothes were missing from TG home... shoes and sweat pants if I remember correctly. So, where are the clothes and why the discrepancy?

Osmosis
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 06:56:36 GMT

http://wgxa.tv/news/state-news/investigators-recover-items-from-pond-in-search-for-tara-grinstead

Osmosis
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 06:58:29 GMT

items found using sonar in 2015 doesnt say they werent related ?

Osmosis
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 07:02:54 GMT

the macon news report says that the dog and cat were in the house ? first ive heard of that does any one know if that was redacted ?

emphasisonlife
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 12:25:18 GMT

That article is from February 2015, Os. Apparently by October 2015, the GBI had determined it wasn’t relevant - maybe testing came back negative. The dog was not in the house, but the cat was. I keep wondering how one guy carried Tara’s dead body, his arms out in front of him, through a door that would be difficult to open and close by himself in that position anyway, yet the cat didn’t run out.

undersea_captive
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 12:58:33 GMT

I've wondered that too, @emph. Where was the cat during all this? Was he the type of cat that tried to dash out the door every time it opened, for example, like many cats are? Was he closed off in a room during all this? Ryan seemed to have an affinity for cats, so did he clean the cat box or feed it when he returned on Sunday? We hear a lot of speculation about Dolly but never the cat.

emphasisonlife
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 16:55:26 GMT

Possibly. I think JP, his wife, MH’s stepmom, etc are likely the best candidates for cleaning the litter box - all arrived before Maria. But who knows with all this mess.

realnachosnow
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 19:21:39 GMT

Back to the clothes... in Ryan’s confession it’s alleged Ryan says he went to Tara’s randomly to break in and steal money. While Ryan took responsibility for killing Tara he was not able to take responsibility for the reason he was there initially. In my opinion, he wasn’t there to rob her house and it wasn’t random. That is why the discrepancy arose about Bo seeing her unclothed and Ryan unable to bring up that fact which would paint him in a more monstrous and predatory light. That’s my two cents on the OP’s main question in this thread

Osmosis
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 21:49:22 GMT

how did ryan target her house , was it a lazy / convenience crime ? what put him in her area , was he at a family members house , was he in the neighbourhood to score drugs , or was he at a party close to the house. what items was he targeting , was it cash because he had heard Tara had done the pageant make-up earlier that day ? was ryan in the habit of selling off stolen items ,did the people at any hock shops know Ryan as a regular customer , i feel his only target would of been cash to buy drugs otherwise was he looking for a particular item he knew she was in possession off ? its all well and good to say he was there to rob her but why her house her neighbourhood any criminal knows not to target a house with a dog in the back yard as it could draw unwanted attention if this is a burglary which i highly doubt how could he commit the perfect crime but fail to identify that there was a dog in the yard if he popped the lock he would of given the door a little bit more force to open it which i feel would have been enough to set off the bells on the door either waking Tara or alerting dolly but feel free to jump to a set conclusion with out actually questioning the implications and reasoning behind the crime because the prosecution says so jmo

emphasisonlife
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 21:53:00 GMT

@nachos, in that scenario, it would be highly unlikely a rape occurred inside Tara’s house, considering they didn’t find any of Ryan’s semen. I don’t see how he didn’t take responsibility for the reason he was there. The summary states he said he was high and drunk, possibly didn’t remember everything, but that he broke into Tara’s house and was attempting to steal from her purse when he believed she came up behind him and possibly said something when he hit her. That pretty clearly outlines a motive for Ryan being in her house in the first place. Although, I still don’t believe it happened inside her house anyway.

undersea_captive
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:06:05 GMT

jmo, but whether the murder itself was accidental or intentional, his being at her house would not have been coincidental.

realnachosnow
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:15:39 GMT

@emph I don’t necessarily have to believe Ryan ejaculated. He put himself there. He took full responsibility. His story lined up with Bo’s but only limited the details of what would’ve occurred during an assault. Ryan said he didn’t mean to strike Tara and it was kind of a reflex thing. I don’t believe that for a second. Whether or not Ryan had a relationship that had ended previously, ended that night or possibly never ever occurred except between his own two ears I believe would be a prime motive for a lone suspect to assault Tara. I can only go off what the young man said and that’s where I am. I’m not sure why Bo would lie about her being unclothed as he had already placed all the blame on Ryan so had she been clothed he could’ve simply said so. Ryan would have more motive to lie about her being unclothed if he indeed left her at the orchard in the nude as it’s much harder to tell someone you are also a sexual deviant as well as a murder. JMO tho

realnachosnow
Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:20:44 GMT

For all I know Ryan may’ve been a stalker, looky loo, or peeping Tom that graduated to entering house. The robbery is only what he alleges and I guess we’ll never figure that out if only one person knows. It’s possible Ryan may’ve just *needed* to get closer to his infatuation and when she woke up, maybe she was sleeping nude, the assault occurred and the vanishing of the murdered woman was the next step. I do feel others could be involved in the pick up and disposal but maybe we’ll never get there as both Bo and Ryan want us to believe the other should be in their current shoes

Osmosis
Mon, 15 Apr 2019 00:29:29 GMT

In regards to shoes she did have a pair of grey new balance sneakers that went missing, and if we are going to go with the infatuation angle / stalker I have heard chatter that someone else in that group was the one with the infatuation, as far as I can tell they also are the only one who appears to have had any sort of mental breakdown after this occurred, is there is any truth to it? I'm not saying that this didn't occur I'm just trying to ascertain whether or not someone else could of been in Ryan's shoes at that precise moment I think we all can agree this wasn't a random house or victim if it was random bo would never touched this with a 10 foot pole he would of run straight to an elder for advise seeing as his family's name was being. Dragged into the mud

undersea_captive
Mon, 15 Apr 2019 00:34:55 GMT

He couldn't be in the house with her sleeping because the dog was still outside. Plus, if it happened around midnight, she probably hadn't yet gone to bed since she hadn't been home long.

Osmosis
Mon, 15 Apr 2019 00:39:39 GMT

But that would make sense and not match the gbi's narrative we can't have that

emphasisonlife
Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:46:27 GMT

@undersea, exactly. Another reason to believe she wasn’t in bed is the hairstyling stuff still in the bathroom sink - suggests she didn’t brush her teeth or remove her makeup that night. Plus, bowels release upon death. There would likely be evidence of such in her bedding if that was the case. Something I have noted and hope is cleared up during the trial - did Ryan say where her purse was? Has anyone who knew Tara ever said where she normally kept her purse? Perhaps Ryan disclosed this during the confession and it just didn’t make it into the summary, though I’m not so sure about that. Would seem to be a pretty important detail to mention: the alleged exact location of Tara’s murder.

Osmosis
Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:08:16 GMT

@emph I agree also When you break into a house during the night you only have 2 choices for visibility lights on or torches nothing in any of the statements says anything about him having a torch, when the police checked the house did they check the light switches for prints, I understand they didn't find any but wouldn't an investigator be able to ascertain if a surface had been wiped down by the lack of prints? the reason I bring this up is if that's not the case could he have had the gloves on prior to the entry and if so that doesn't sound like a lookiloo to me that breathes purpose and premeditated planning when was it said he got the gloves ? That night the police were chasing Benny Merritt around the reports say some places they were searching if they were looking for him wouldn't it make sense to drive past his house occasionally , and if their casing out the house to burgle that would make anybody super cautious even if it was just 1 drive by, Something has got to hit the nail on the head with this burglary theory what does the gbi have that makes them throw all there eggs in one basket or is it the only basket they have?

miss_bee
Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:15:16 GMT

The earrings could have been taken as a trophy or souvenir by the killer.

undersea_captive
Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:23:30 GMT

The confession is the only thing they have that puts the murder in the house, and sounds like the prosecution is going to say it happened in the bed, although the blood they found on the comforter is most likely unrelated due to age.

emphasisonlife
Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:50:10 GMT

@miss_bee, it’s possible. Tara may have still been wearing them, or she could have removed them at some point and put them in her purse. I don’t know that we’ll ever have the answers to that. If LE found them, we probably would’ve heard something about them by now with all the things that have been released.

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