I'm so sorry, @bj, @mrsmarple, @sandie, and @brat. I can't imagine how difficult it must be. It just goes to show that nobody knows what people on this board are going through in their own lives.
I am so sorry for all of you. Until you are a victim of a predator, you never realize the horrors these people endure.
In my case, I would say a young man experiencing severe delusions and mental illness exacerbated by drug or alcohol abuse for most likely the first time...does not excuse his actions..I wish he would have received the help he needed. My point in sharing is that with the limited mental health history we know about Ryan, suicide attempts, severe anxiety, heavy drug and alcohol abuse, insomnia, strange public writings, using sympathy to get girls to like him and age at time of crime, that something similar could have been going on with Ryan. Would explain the out of character nature of the murder/assault and the severe decline of Ryan after the crime. Just what makes sense to me based on personal experience but I can also see it being both of these fools and simply out of sadistic maliciousness.
You make an excellent point, @mrsmarple. We assume that Ryan's decline mentally and physically began happening after the murder as a direct result of the murder, but who's to say his mental decline hadn't already begun before the murder?
“DUKE believed the break-up was another incident in his life which sent him into a spiral of drugs and alcohol, ultimately leading up to the incident with GRINSTEAD.“ - Summay of confession alleges Ryan stated just as much
@real I haven't seen the confession. Is this in there? What break-up? I'm lost! Nothing unusual with me tho!
Yes, what break up? @undersea-mental illness such as schizophrenia typically manifests in men later then women-late teens or early twenties. Drug and alcohol abuse exacerbates symptoms and raises the incidence of violence significantly.
He broke up with LRM. Her name was mentioned during one of the GBI interviews with Bo, asking him if he knew her or if she ran with that crowd. I can't remember the exact wording of the question, but Bo knew her. At the time, she was just LR, but then she married HM at one point.
Agree with the mental health questions regarding Ryan. His family has stated he has had substance abuse disorder. That is a sad disease but schizophrenia is horrible. Schizophrenia is devastating. Symptoms are recurrent, it is incurable, the disease can not be hidden yet antipsychotics can help manage symptoms. Those who suffer from this disease have my complete sympathy and sufferers are disabled. I think it is doubtful Ryan is schizophrenic. Of the information coming out about Ryan, if he was schizophrenic - I think we would have heard about it some time ago. I’m not sure what Bo was trying to pull when Bo said Ryan is not the same person today as back when they were close friends. Bo said Ryan can’t string a sentence together. On one hand Bo claims no contact w Ryan and on the other he’s diagnosing him? Slick, mom, brother, nor AM have described Ryan that way.
the confession is posted in one of the UAV S2 groups if you search “confession” in the search bar — https://www.facebook.com/groups/247469192627726/?ref=share
In Bo’s ‘17 GBI interview when discussing options for the GBI approaching Ryan and using Bo - potentially placing a wire on Bo, Bo said he was concerned Ryan ‘might try to put a bullet in me’. ...But he’s not known Ryan to have gun/knife / etc. Ryan has had the same concerns about Bo🤷🏻♀️
A "bullet" as in what Ryan knows about Bo's part, double entendre in my opinion. Bo could NEVER wear a wire around Ryan cause his story would be shot and he would be incriminated.
Same reason Brooke got out of wearing a wire with Bo. IMO.
Yeah, it made me think of that too Sandie. Brooke wears a wire Bo incriminates himself, Bo wears a wire Ryan incriminates Bo. Sketchy sketchy.
After giving some thought to their claims of fear of one another, I think there is some truth to it. Given what each of them did to Tara for absolutely no reason (she was not a threat to either of them) - but she was murdered and they burned her for the reason of self preservation. These men do threaten one another’s freedom/lifestyle. Harming one another for self preservation I guess is within the realm of possibilities. Could be a reason- if not the main reason they have steered clear of one another.
@sandie two guys I know who were best buds in high school had a big falling out because they had 'extremely different' views on life and what life was about. I know that in a small town you don't have much of a choice in who you have to hang out with. From what we heard from witnesses Bo and Ryan joked and talked about TG never being found at parties. It's possible one of them was proud of that... and one was deeply ashamed. I really got the feeling that BD was proud of what he did, and in some weird way wanted credit for it and that's why he told so many people.
@cakethecat I see your point. Some of us outgrow our small hometowns and move along and for those in young adulthood who stay - the friend pool gets even smaller. To your point, we know for a fact Bo discussed with several people of his being involved in the crimes against Tara. The only indication Ryan ever did (that we know of) was hearing GL's sworn testimony during Bo's lie trial. (BTW I liked GL just in knowing he went to authorities after witnessing Bo/Ryan talking and laughing about it and I like him even more after hearing his testimony.) Ryan seems to have all but completely withdrawn from society and spoken of this to no one, and personally deteriorated. Why? I find that very suspect. I'm glad they are getting a PSYCH eval on him. It is horrible piecing the puzzle of these crimes together. No one wants to believe Bo but his accounts have pushed this forward to the light. WHAT IF Ryan took Ben's black truck SatPM/SunAM - not Bo's. Ryan might've known there to be less chance of BM helping him (ie BM more likely to go to dad/family than Bo). RD could'v e told Bo he took his truck but in fact didn't. Could explain the black truck sightings the inconclusive glove DNA of BM's, and his odd Messenger interactions with Bo. The more the horror/shock settles in on me and I sift thru the lies - the less I think of RD. Whatever happened --- Ryan was not at home asleep. BS. He's lying.
After everything I’ve heard and read I think this is what could’ve happened. Ryan wasn’t at home asleep that night. He woke up wherever he was the next morning after a party(my guess is the orchard) and Tara’s body was near or next to him. He doesn’t remember the whole night, maybe only a few little snippets and says so, to Bo. Bo then may have seen an opportunity and swears to Ryan something along the lines of ‘well she was alive when we left you two’. My guess is others were there as well and they went along with Bo’s story
In light of Ryan's recent trial, I find this thread all the more interesting. What I can't get out of my head is "Bo & Ben left Ryan's trailer that night in a black truck around 10:00 pm". Someone drove Tara's car and put the seat back. Someone returned her car. Someone had to pick that person up afterwards. Bo left with Ben.
@missB how is it that someone can take Ryan’s version of the night in question as fact when he admitted to lying about so many things since his arrest? Had Ryan made his version available to any investigators before he took the stand the Ben and Bo Avenue could’ve been sorted out through interviews etc…